POLL: Is It Time To Bench Rivers?

[Cdn Bolt]

I was making that point before we faced KC. Losing Ty Will hurt a lot.

Yes. Travis Benjamin too Maybe even Dontrel Inman who avgs ~ 17 ypr. We only had MW and he is not a 4.4 guy.

[Topcat]

good point

it baffles me why Rivers chooses to throw bomb when Ekeler/Henry are wide open for 10-15 yrd gains. Thats rookie mistakes.

I'm convinced Rivers is addicted to the long ball...and I'm not joking, either...I think he has gotten such a thrill from the occasional TD bomb, that he tries to duplicate this frequently, thinks he can do it, but usually fails, ending in an incomplete or a pick...all of this instead, as has been pointed out by many, taking what the D gives you and finding the short man open and dinking his way to victory...but no, Rivers would rather go for the Hero Ball home run instead of several short pass singles...

[dmac_bolt]

I think we under estimate what Twill was able to do we didn't need him to be the number 1 or number 2, but I think that he would put more pressure on the D with his speed so he would be able to draw a safeties attention opening up the field a little bit we need that badly all our long passes have been jump balls to Mike Williams teams play him tighter because they know he isn't going to beat him with speed, or quick release, Mike Williams doesn't get a lot of separation but he does come down with some tough catches, just having a speed reciever who can catch the ball would help Rivers, and open up things more for Allen who can beat almost in CB, and draw attention away from Mike Williams, then instead of MW out jumping a corner and safety he only is out jumping one of them.

The last thing it is hard enough for Rivers to go deep with the protection(lack of) he is getting, I recall those quick little slants to TWill last year a 7 yard slant turning to 10-15 yards he was the only reciever that wa able to run away from the defenders, Benjamin could do this but his lack of hands and scared to get hit is bad 50/50 and we didn't even get that from him I think Benji dropped 80% of the passes thrown his way before going on IR

I’ll admit I completely under estimated and under-appreciated Twill and his departure. When I’m wrong I’m wrong. I apologize. But hey - I knew TBen sucks and will always suck, so at least i had half of it right. But i assumed Phil and Co could just manufacture another Twill v2 like they did before him, and before him and before him. Nobody appeared and TBen sucked even more than his usual suck.

Thats not an excuse for Phil. Phil has cost the team games. I count 4 losses on his shoulders, but its arguably more. Phil would always cost maybe 1-2 games in a full 16 GM season, but he’d also win more. This year he’s played at an unacceptable level and OL is not an excuse for making horrible non-pro mistakes over and over. Thats the life of every NFL QB and QBs that panic and turn it over in fear of pressure do not start in this league

I want him to finish it out, and retire. I too hope they lose out as they need the next chapter under center

[NoMoreChillies]

a speedy WR on the team wouldnt do much in the bomb dept. besides a bad Oline doesnt afford a long pass to develop. the shallow crossers are good but rivers doesnt have the arm strength to lead a speedy WR streaking down the sideline. I've seen way too many bombs that were short and the WR had to slow down and allow the defender to catch up. sure lots were completed but if the WRs were led properly a lot of those bombs would've become TDs. rivers money ball are short to medium range and he needs to live in that zone for the rest of the season if he wants to end up with less INTs than TDs.

good point

it baffles me why Rivers chooses to throw bomb when Ekeler/Henry are wide open for 10-15 yrd gains. Thats rookie mistakes.

[jubei]

a speedy WR on the team wouldnt do much in the bomb dept. besides a bad Oline doesnt afford a long pass to develop. the shallow crossers are good but rivers doesnt have the arm strength to lead a speedy WR streaking down the sideline. I've seen way too many bombs that were short and the WR had to slow down and allow the defender to catch up. sure lots were completed but if the WRs were led properly a lot of those bombs would've become TDs. rivers money ball are short to medium range and he needs to live in that zone for the rest of the season if he wants to end up with less INTs than TDs.

[OhioBolt]

Even if we had Twill, I don't think it would have helped PR all that much. He would still be heaving the rock downfield instead of looking for the short open receiver...

I think we under estimate what Twill was able to do we didn't need him to be the number 1 or number 2, but I think that he would put more pressure on the D with his speed so he would be able to draw a safeties attention opening up the field a little bit we need that badly all our long passes have been jump balls to Mike Williams teams play him tighter because they know he isn't going to beat him with speed, or quick release, Mike Williams doesn't get a lot of separation but he does come down with some tough catches, just having a speed reciever who can catch the ball would help Rivers, and open up things more for Allen who can beat almost in CB, and draw attention away from Mike Williams, then instead of MW out jumping a corner and safety he only is out jumping one of them.

The last thing it is hard enough for Rivers to go deep with the protection(lack of) he is getting, I recall those quick little slants to TWill last year a 7 yard slant turning to 10-15 yards he was the only reciever that wa able to run away from the defenders, Benjamin could do this but his lack of hands and scared to get hit is bad 50/50 and we didn't even get that from him I think Benji dropped 80% of the passes thrown his way before going on IR

[Topcat]

Brutal. Similar stats show he struggles in 1 possession situations:

Point Situation	Att	Comp	Pct	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Int	1st	1st%	20+	Sck	Rate
Behind	227	137	60.4	1,509	6.6	50	8	9	81	35.7	17	7	75.3
Behind by 1-8 Points	124	65	52.4	784	6.3	50	3	7	39	31.5	10	5	56.7
Behind by 9-16 Points	56	43	76.8	439	7.8	41	4	1	26	46.4	4	1	115.1

Losing TW hurt. Could the Chargers have traded for a WR like other aggressive teams? Would be nice to have Sanu, but no way the Chargers part with a 2nd, and no way Broncos would trade E.Sanders to a division rival. Maybe Demarius Thomas from the Patriots? Jets gave up a 6th and he's been productive for them.

Even if we had Twill, I don't think it would have helped PR all that much. He would still be heaving the rock downfield instead of looking for the short open receiver...

[jamrock]

There is not a single WR on the team that takes the top off the defense. For a guy like Rivers, he needs legit deep threat speed. Its a much bigger issue than o line.

I was making that point before we faced KC. Losing Ty Will hurt a lot.

[blueman]

There is not a single WR on the team that takes the top off the defense. For a guy like Rivers, he needs legit deep threat speed. Its a much bigger issue than o line.

Totally agree. Solid take.

[Tol]

I just read that PR has a 17.7 QBR when we trail by 7 or less and there is less than 5 minutes in a game. If that is true it is startling.......

Brutal. Similar stats show he struggles in 1 possession situations:

Point Situation	Att	Comp	Pct	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Int	1st	1st%	20+	Sck	Rate
Behind	227	137	60.4	1,509	6.6	50	8	9	81	35.7	17	7	75.3
Behind by 1-8 Points	124	65	52.4	784	6.3	50	3	7	39	31.5	10	5	56.7
Behind by 9-16 Points	56	43	76.8	439	7.8	41	4	1	26	46.4	4	1	115.1

Losing TW hurt. Could the Chargers have traded for a WR like other aggressive teams? Would be nice to have Sanu, but no way the Chargers part with a 2nd, and no way Broncos would trade E.Sanders to a division rival. Maybe Demarius Thomas from the Patriots? Jets gave up a 6th and he's been productive for them.

[Critty]

I have a of respect for Lynn and Rivers.
I appreciate their honesty after the Cheifs loss.

Rivers saying....turning the ball over and not scoring in red zone gets you beat. And it's beat us all year.
We move the ball well but we have to score touchdowns. I have made some poor throws and given them 7 points the past 2 games.

Lynn saying ....we have got to do a better job of making decisions with the football, period.

They have the bye week to shake it off and get ready for a 5-0 finish.

[powderblueboy]

Lynn is looking over at Baltimore and drooling. We will draft Hurts, not bring back Rivers, and start Tyrod until idk.

I see Rivers playing one more year for the Chargers - when the new stadium opens. The competition for a 38-39 year old qb who appears to be on a rapid trajectory downward is not very brisk. The 'he might go to a Super Bowl contender who only needs a qb' tag no longer applies to him.

Chargers can pretty much set the terms. Rivers will retire if they are unacceptable; but i think they'll hammer something out. I wouldn't rule out one last good year with Rivers.

If they draft Eason as opposed to Hurts, then keeping Rivers makes even more sense.

Remember, Tyrod was run out of Cleveland for the perception of holding back Baker Mayfield