Jay Glazer: Chargers Have Officially Moved On From Rivers

[RollingThunder]

I disagree, if we had Rivers we would have been up by 21 or so, the defense would not have been gassed and we would have won the game walking away. Not throwing picks is nice for sure. But there is more to the QB position than not throwing picks.

If that's the case, why did a Rivers led Colts team with a much better O-line score only 4 more points than we did on Sunday and at the same time lose their game?

The Jags were also rated/predicted to be the worst team in the league to start the season so it definitely isn't about the strength of their opponent. Those freebie points from turnovers helped push the Jags over the hump.

[FoutsFan]

If that's the case, why did a Rivers led Colts team with a much better O-line score only 4 more points than we did on Sunday and at the same time lose their game?

The Jags were also rated/predicted to be the worst team in the league to start the season so it definitely isn't about the strength of their opponent. Those freebie points from turnovers helped push the Jags over the hump.

Because the Cots D played poorly, the Colts running game played poorly. It will be a while for Rivers to be in sync with his receivers and the rest of the team. Its not like when he was here and these guys had years playing with each other.

Team ratings mean nothing. They are good for lining your bird cage or picking up dog crap, that's about it.

[Critty]

If that's the case, why did a Rivers led Colts team with a much better O-line score only 4 more points than we did on Sunday and at the same time lose their game?

The Jags were also rated/predicted to be the worst team in the league to start the season so it definitely isn't about the strength of their opponent. Those freebie points from turnovers helped push the Jags over the hump.

Right.
And that was Tyrod 1st start in almost 2 seasons.
He is a game manager. 16 points and missed FG. So possible 19pts. No turnovers game and most importantly getting the Win is not a bad start to 2020 season for Taylor and a great example for the rookie Herbert to see. Protect the rock. Emotions in check. Just go out there and execute the gameplan. Don't beat yourself with mistakes. Don't give the other team momentum and short fields with turnovers. Trust the defense, the run game and special teams to help you get the win. Let the other team make the critical errors. Hard to win a championship without better arm talent than Tyrod. So Herbert arm talent will be needed next year and beyond to get this team to another level. I'm very hopeful about how Lynn is developing this team.

[jubei]

Im happy for the win. and surprisingly I was quite happy not seeing the clock run down to 0 on every play and no delay of game calls. Those penalties were EXASPERATING! I think D's can tee off on that play clock.

[richpjr]

If that's the case, why did a Rivers led Colts team with a much better O-line score only 4 more points than we did on Sunday and at the same time lose their game?

The Jags were also rated/predicted to be the worst team in the league to start the season so it definitely isn't about the strength of their opponent. Those freebie points from turnovers helped push the Jags over the hump.

The turnovers always hurt. So does allowing a QB like Gardner Minshew to complete 19 out of 20 passes for 3 TDs and a 142.3 QB rating, a full 50 points over his career average.

[powderblueboy]

I disagree.
Just throw those 2 picks in spots it goes incomplete if WR cannot catch it. Simple protect the rock there.
Nothing perfect needed.

The last interception was on 3rd down, down by 4, near the end of the game: Rivers should have just thrown it away?.
Taylor throws it away and happily ambles back to the bench.

Taylor was benched for an interception prone rookie, in his only playoff game, doing that type of stuff.

[powderblueboy]

If Chargers has Rivers 2Int. and Gordon 1 fumble yesterday............they lose. Bengals would get 3 more possessions and short fields. You just cannot do that and win games.

Does Rivers get sacked 4 times in this game? Did his running backs get stuffed repeatedly at the line of scrimmage? Did he get the benefit of two defensive turnovers or a kickoff return past the 45 yard line? Taylor had everything working for him and still they were lucky to win.

When Rivers had the luxury of going into game manager mode, he could do that: see the playoff victories over Cincy, Baltimore, Indiannapolis.

[21&500]

Does Rivers get sacked 4 times in this game? Did his running backs get stuffed repeatedly at the line of scrimmage? Did he get the benefit of two defensive turnovers or a kickoff return past the 45 yard line? Taylor had everything working for him and still they were lucky to win.

When Rivers had the luxury of going into game manager mode, he could do that: see the playoff victories over Cincy, Baltimore, Indiannapolis.

Just devil’s advocate, obviously I’m skeptical
but in your honest opinion, why hasn’t Rivers
had that luxury of going into “game manager mode”?
is there a big difference between this team and the 3 prior with Lynn that have made that luxury impossible?

because to me it looks more like a personality/philosophy with Rivers that

were actually seeing being played out here.
no risk-it/biscuit approach

So another way to put it is, what gives Tyrod this luxury
to think he doesn’t have to make great plays,
and simply manage the game?

imv it looks like an issue of receptiveness to coaching.
Rivers appears like the proverbial old dog unable to learn new tricks.

[powderblueboy]

Just devil’s advocate, obviously I’m skeptical
but in your honest opinion, why hasn’t Rivers
had that luxury of going into “game manager mode”?
is there a big difference between this team and the 3 prior with Lynn that have made that luxury impossible?

because to me it looks more like a personality/philosophy with Rivers that

were actually seeing being played out here.
no risk-it/biscuit approach

So another way to put it is, what gives Tyrod this luxury
to think he doesn’t have to make great plays,
and simply manage the game?

imv it looks like an issue of receptiveness to coaching.
Rivers appears like the proverbial old dog unable to learn new tricks.

I don't know what this team is capable of: its early.

Game manager mode is when you have a solid running game and a stingy defense that gives you turnovers.
I also helps to have solid special teams play. That was last Sunday.

If the Chargers continue getting 150 yards from their running backs (with 4.8 ypc), getting turnovers from their defense,
shutting teams down to less than 300 ypg, and getting solid special teams play,
then they can continue in game manager mode from Tyrod and possibly succeed (barely last week).

If not, they will get destroyed on a weekly basis. I'm not expecting those type of figure week in, week out.

As for Rivers, how did the running game fare last year? Would you say it was top 20? At times, it was historically bad.
Lots of turnovers last year? Stingy defense?

Why, for heavens, were people expecting game manager mode when there lacked the conditions for playing that way?
And yes, Rivers screwed up last year....his worst year ever. He's had marginally worse teams around him and got more out of them.
But they were a bad football team. Teams like that with Tyrod at qb are looking forward to the top pick in the draft.


Game manager mode against K.C. last year would have been lots of 3 & outs & a 30 - 7 drubbing.

We will see this year.

[therber219]

Because the Cots D played poorly, the Colts running game played poorly. It will be a while for Rivers to be in sync with his receivers and the rest of the team. Its not like when he was here and these guys had years playing with each other.

Team ratings mean nothing. They are good for lining your bird cage or picking up dog crap, that's about it.

Doesn't Taylor get the same excuse of needing time to get in sync? Realistically, he is in the same position as Rivers with the Colts.... And FYI, Rivers stared down the receiver so hard on his second pic, that I (even being 54) saw it coming and could picked it. That's what has gotten frustrating about him.. You could, and can see he had his mind made up at times.

Taylor is by no means going to be Rivers in his prime, but without a full off season or preseason, he wasn't any worse than should have been expected. I'm also sure they didn't want to show too much against a team they should beat... It was a good chance to see if they have any fight in them.

[beachcomber]

If the Chargers continue getting 150 yards from their running backs (with 4.8 ypc), getting turnovers from their defense,
shutting teams down to less than 300 ypg, and getting solid special teams play,
then they can continue in game manager mode from Tyrod and possibly succeed (barely last week).

will not be surprised if our running game goes over 200 w/increases for all three of note, Ekeler, Kelly and 'specially Tyrod.

also think the D will continue w/its run of producing turnovers, albeit don't think we'll hold KC under 400 yards of total offense, nor can we count on "solid" STs play.

[FoutsFan]

Doesn't Taylor get the same excuse of needing time to get in sync? Realistically, he is in the same position as Rivers with the Colts.... And FYI, Rivers stared down the receiver so hard on his second pic, that I (even being 54) saw it coming and could picked it. That's what has gotten frustrating about him.. You could, and can see he had his mind made up at times.

Taylor is by no means going to be Rivers in his prime, but without a full off season or preseason, he wasn't any worse than should have been expected. I'm also sure they didn't want to show too much against a team they should beat... It was a good chance to see if they have any fight in them.

Well he has been on this team for a year now. He has had reps with these receivers in 4 preseason games last year and a year full of practices. Rivers had no preseason games, limited off season activities due to the coronavirus.

So in answer to your question. No Taylor does not get the same getting in sync with his new team. Taylor is what he is. A marginal mobile QB. He does not take any chances and is willing to play it safe even when he should not.

Not throwing ints is not the only criteria for being a good QB. QB's need t do a lot more.