POLL: Should The Bolts Trade Up For Tua?

[AK47]

So, why is it WAS is actually considering taking Tua at #2 ?

Chase Young is sitting right there,
plus they just drafted Haskins, remember ?

Tua is within striking range for LAC @ #6.

Go get him !

I'm kind of torn. I mean how can I explain it? To quote the great R. Kelly before he got caught peeing on little girls....

"My mind is telling me noooo! but my body, my body is tellin' me yesss!"





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[Xenos]

I hope not. Guy can't stay healthy behind a good Alabama OL. He's going to flame out unless he finds a way to stay durable, which realistically is not something happens often for college players transitioning to the NFL.

[Maniaque 6]

Tua at 37 ? Impossible ! If it's the case, nfl teams have information that we don't. Tunsil's style ?
You think there's no chance that Taylor or Stick can do what Lock did last year ? Not even a chance in 100 ?
Back to 2001 draft, you take Brees at 5 ? And you lose LT ?
Finally, how many QBs not drafted in first round have won the SB ?
T. Taylor will have a better team behind him than he had in BUF.

[Steve]

The Chargers didn't trade up for Brees, he fell to them in the 2nd round.
If it's the case with Tua, go for him.
My point is I don't want to waste picks for any QB. I would not have done it for Goff or Wentz too.
Is it possible that T. Taylor or E. Stick can do what the 2nd rounder D. Lock did last year for DEN ? I wish.
4-1, 7 TDs, 3 INTs, 89.7 QB rate in his first season.
And if we remove his horrible game at KC, it would be more impressive.
Please, Stick or Taylor, make it happen !

A Personally, as far as Tua goes, I am not sure I would draft him with a 2nd round pick. Either you think the guy is going to stay healthy or not. I don't think he can. If that is the case, the risk reward thing kicks in, but at QB, the guy has to be on the field, and so it has to be a lot lower than a 2nd round pick for me.

AS far as just the talent part of him, he is the #2 QB in recent memory. Only Burrows is higher, and both are a lot better than the guys the last couple of years. He is as close as a sure thing that you can get (with the possible exception of Burrows). But again, the talent thing is not really the issue with him, it is the injury thing.

As far as Brees goes, his performance justified him being the best player in his draft class, and it isn't even close between him and the couple of other hall of fame caliber guys, (plus LT already in the hall of fame). HE helps overcome talent deficiencies at other positions and as well as has lasted so long that he is worth most other draft picks by a wide margin (4x the average NFL career, about 2x as long as most pro bowl caliber QB). That is additional value that they didn't have to go find another player to replace him.

As far as QB goes, regardless of the system being used, any offense we might run is going to have the QB making a ton of reads and that means whoever the QB is, is going to have every game in their hands. It is still the most valuable position in the game, because they touch the ball on almost every offense play.

People can keep pointing to how great they think Taylor is, but he is only a marginal starter and has a lot of flaws. He simply doesn't make any plays except when he scrambles and he is not a Lamar Jackson caliber runner. He is a decent backup, but he is not a starting caliber QB. He has proven it over and over again. He holds the ball too long, takes a fair number of sacks and spends a lot of 3rd downs checking down to players who have no chance at converting. And he simply doesn't make that many plays. He doesn't turn the ball over, but if he can't make plays too, then everyone else has to work a lot harder to overcome that "lack" of production.

Stick has the makings of a decent QB, but he has a long, long way to go. In preseason last year, he wasn't close to looking like a starting caliber NFL QB, or even a real NFL backup. He may have gone to a great program, but there are a lot of great division II college programs who occasionally put players (and a few hall of famers) into the NFL, but the majority of them are Kyle Emmanuel sort, not the next Andre Reed.

[SYB]

I wouldn't touch him @ 6 if he's there. So that's a big FUCK NO on a trade up. Dude's a walking injury report.

[Maniaque 6]

Like Drew Brees, who will be a first ballot hall of famer? We aren't selling jeans, we need guys who can play, and guys that size can play. Not all of them, but not all the big guys can play either (see Ryan Leaf).



We don't know that Washington is actually considering Tua. They say they are, but given the NFL teams various disinformation tactics, who knows. Maybe they just want to see what we will give to trade up. If they make us think they want Tua, then they have more leverage. Maybe they can force another team to drive the price up too.

The question the Chargers have to decide is
1). Can he play? This one is pretty easy.
I think everyone thinks yes. The only question I have is can he teach himself to get rid of the ball sometimes, because he will hold the ball a long time, waiting until his receivers make a play. In the NFL, he is going to have to get rid of the ball more quickly, to avoid sacks. I think he will be fine, but it is something he will have to develop in his game (Burrow does too, FWIW, although he is better in that regard).

2). Can he stay healthy?
4 major injuries in his last 2 seasons, and this in the shorter college season, where he wasn't even asked to finish every game, and behind the Alabama OL. I don't care about his current injury and if he will be ready this season. It is the injury history that makes it an issue.

The Chargers didn't trade up for Brees, he fell to them in the 2nd round.
If it's the case with Tua, go for him.
My point is I don't want to waste picks for any QB. I would not have done it for Goff or Wentz too.
Is it possible that T. Taylor or E. Stick can do what the 2nd rounder D. Lock did last year for DEN ? I wish.
4-1, 7 TDs, 3 INTs, 89.7 QB rate in his first season.
And if we remove his horrible game at KC, it would be more impressive.
Please, Stick or Taylor, make it happen !

[richpjr]

And i'm not sure why, with Taylor, you automatically give them 7 - 9 wins next year.

I don't automatically think they win 7 to 9 games, but think that is about the ceiling. Not spending a pick on a QB who likely won't play next year and instead on a player who can contribute, along with getting some injured guys healthy (who knows if they stay healthy) and some cap money can improve the roster from what we had last year.

[Sb4Rivers]

The more likely situation if we went with Taylor and drafted another position is that we would be between 7 and 9 wins and stuck in the middle where we aren't a playoff team, but don't suck bad enough to get a good QB next year. Kicking the can down the road on the QB is not a good strategy.

I agree, but chargers really don’t have the staff to develop a QB. Heck they can’t even Develop OL nor teach LB to wrap and Tackle.

Chargers need to bring in a QB Guru should they draft QB at 6.

Tyrod at best wins 4-6 games. Maybe 7.

Would you as a GM keep Lynn and his QB we dragged from the Bills, paid and feed for 3 year to put up 7 wins?

we all can probably agree, we have enough skilled players for a mobile QB to be successful.

[powderblueboy]

The more likely situation if we went with Taylor and drafted another position is that we would be between 7 and 9 wins and stuck in the middle where we aren't a playoff team, but don't suck bad enough to get a good QB next year. Kicking the can down the road on the QB is not a good strategy.

But the fact still remains that if you want to see your high profile young qb develop, A Lynn is not the guy.
And i'm not sure why, with Taylor, you automatically give them 7 - 9 wins next year.

If you anticipate firing Lynn next year, then it would make some sense.

[gzubeck]

Please do washington. It will save us from drafting the next verret type player.

I just went and looked at Dwayne Haskins college tape. If they draft Tua we need to see if we can get haskins for a second rounder. Is there something fundamentally wrong with haskins or is he salvageable?

[richpjr]

Lynn is not a QB development coach. And we don’t have anyone to develop a high top 6 QB pick.

what if chargers are looking to trade #6 pick to build other positions? This would let Lynn show what he can do with tyrod type!

If Lynn fails (I bet) we get a better pick, if he is successful we are stuck.

The more likely situation if we went with Taylor and drafted another position is that we would be between 7 and 9 wins and stuck in the middle where we aren't a playoff team, but don't suck bad enough to get a good QB next year. Kicking the can down the road on the QB is not a good strategy.

[Sb4Rivers]

Lynn is not a QB development coach. And we don’t have anyone to develop a high top 6 QB pick.

what if chargers are looking to trade #6 pick to build other positions? This would let Lynn show what he can do with tyrod type!

If Lynn fails (I bet) we get a better pick, if he is successful we are stuck.