When Does Herbert Sit? - Justin Herbert Discussion

[Coachmarkos]

I found this thread on the Bills message board. Don't forget that Lynn was the HC and TT was the starting QB for the Bills.

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/commun...od-as-starter/

THAT was pretty damning, IMO.

[charger1993]

Well to be fair, Taylor had WAY more three and outs that Herbert had. Lynn seemed to really like those in week one.

The only thing that makes sense is lynn wants to play tyrod to have a bad offense so we can have a good pick. He cant logically explain starting tyrod over herbert besides hes a vet

[Charge!]

The problem is that people are struggling to find a reason, any reason, why Lynn seems to prefer Taylor to Herbert when Herbert looks like the much better QB to all or virtually all of us. And even worse, the clear gap between the two QBs should only get wider if Herbert is given a chance to develop more by playing.

Since Lynn does not appear to be using a meritocracy at the QB position, people are left to consider other reasons why Taylor is preferred to Herbert.

Honestly, it was sad to see Lynn making comments critical of the Browns to defend Tyrod for what happened with Mayfield. And his analysis of the QB position for us at this time appears, frankly, like a bunch of unintelligent nonsense. It does not withstand careful scrutiny at all.

His thinking that Taylor "gives us the best chance to win" makes me ask, "Win what, the #1 overall draft pick in the 2021 draft, first place for most punts in the 2020 NFL season?"

When Lynn says that there "is a reason" why Herbert is the backup, my honest reaction to Lynn is, "Yes, there is, and that reason is that you are a f'ing idiot!"

Agree..... he is obsessed with Taylor who has accomplished nothing in his NFL career......

In his pressers, talks about Tylor like he was a pro bowler/future HOFer who has started for Chargers for last several years and there are a million things that Herbert can learn from him????
Which is crazy nonsense.... its not just millions of fans who can easily tell that Herbert in his first game with no reps is way way better then Taylor has ever been..... EVERY so called expert in th3 media thinks so.... HOF players..... ex coaches, etc...... its as obvious as the sky is blue and the sun will rise tomorrow.....even teammates and staff, but shockingly not to Lynn........

Lynn seems to be obsessed with not throwing picks........and Lynn seems like he is blaming that loss on Herbert's pick (which we all agree was a rookie mistake)...... Lynn also said during presser that there were "many" things that herbert did not do correctly and that is why he is a backup........ we akll saw the game.... there were not lot of blunders...... unless Herbert was changing the plays without authorizartion......

my guess is that Lynn hates those 3 tight perfect passes Herbert threw while under severe pressure...... to Allen and henry..... instead of throwing ball away or taking the sack..... Marty was the same way....

I'm guessing Lynn wants Herbert to stay on bench until he becomes the scared to throw ball over the middle type of bad QB that Taylor is.......

Lynn also made a comment that his goal going into game was 45 minutes of TOP???????........you dont win games by winning TOP........ you win games by SCORING MORE POINTS!!!!!...which btw is all that KC did..... they lost the game in virtually every other category....... yet Lynn is still living in the 60's.......

Lynn may be a leader of men(they all play hard for him) but he is a horrible coach for a talented QB........ imagine what Reid would do with the Chargers talent?.....

If Lynn was a great coach, he would have realized his defense was gassed and went for it on 4th down...... and accepted blame for loss if that failed..... instead he lays blame on Herbert's pick.....

[like54ninjas]

The only thing that makes sense is lynn wants to play tyrod to have a bad offense so we can have a good pick. He cant logically explain starting tyrod over herbert besides hes a vet

Tyrod rarely makes turnovers/mistakes. This is the main thing AL is trying to ingrain into this team. Sound, disciplined, situational, assignment football.
Now on the adverse side Tyrod rarely makes any impact plays

[OhioBolt]

I am not sure why this became a race thing it is purely Coach Lynn being stuborn and seeing things from a perspective most don't agree with

Last Year 2019
Rivers and Interception\turnover machine people say get Tyrod in,but Coach Lynn didn't budge and after each defeat he would say Philip is our guy - Chalk it up to Vet Loyalty
Rashawn Jenkins per Coach Lynn "Jenksin is an elite safety" - Chalk it up to?? -Bad Evaluation
Unwilling to get Drue Tranquill on the field when he was making plays early in the season -Chalk it up to Vet Loyalty

This Year 2020
The obvious is Herbert is the future and his future should be now and I can say it is clearly -Chalk it up to Vet Loyalty and Bad Evaluation.
Bringin Adaee back ughh Vet Loyalty

If it is about Coach Lynn wanting a black quarterback he should of pushed for Cam Newton, the first thing I see with Lynn is his flaws in Vet Loyalty and Bad talent Evaluation, but you see race

That's SAD, and then to double down and agree on previous post is really SAD

[Budsman]

Look I will call out racism when I see it, this isn’t racism it’s bad coaching, period. I’ve said it for a while Lynn isn’t a good head coach. He reminds me of mike singletary, hard nosed players coach that can’t hang in todays high paced nfl. The game passed these guys by about 15-20 years ago.

[Guest]

Tyrod rarely makes turnovers/mistakes. This is the main thing AL is trying to ingrain into this team. Sound, disciplined, situational, assignment football.
Now on the adverse side Tyrod rarely makes any impact plays

The problem is that Lynn is taking that one turnover statistic and blowing it wildly out of proportion, seemingly to the exclusion of any consideration of other stats. I mean he would not have to pay me millions of dollars per year to go into the anti-Bobby Boucher kneel down offense that would also have no turnovers and would be just about as effective as what Taylor did for us against the Bengals. Lynn seems to have zero understanding of the reality that Taylor's inability to do anything for most of the game against the Bengals is what nearly cost us that game, a game that should have been a blowout win for us. Taylor was the problem, not the reason why we won the game.

[richpjr]

Tyrod rarely makes turnovers/mistakes. This is the main thing AL is trying to ingrain into this team. Sound, disciplined, situational, assignment football.
Now on the adverse side Tyrod rarely makes any impact plays

We all get what Lynn wants, though if you want to nit pick you could look at 4 offsides penalties and continued blown gap assignments that led to first down scrambles and throw that back in his face as it is the same thing we saw all of last year.

There will be multiple games in every season where your QB has to make big plays to win and Taylor just isn’t that guy. It’s naive to think that we win with him. The goal isn’t to be around a .500 team because we make fewer mistakes than teams like the Bengals. Look at the Chiefs - tons of scoring with few mistakes on offense.

[like54ninjas]

The problem is that Lynn is taking that one turnover statistic and blowing it wildly out of proportion, seemingly to the exclusion of any consideration of other stats. I mean he would not have to pay me millions of dollars per year to go into the anti-Bobby Boucher kneel down offense that would also have no turnovers and would be just about as effective as what Taylor did for us against the Bengals. Lynn seems to have zero understanding of the reality that Taylor's inability to do anything for most of the game against the Bengals is what nearly cost us that game, a game that should have been a blowout win for us. Taylor was the problem, not the reason why we won the game.

Wildly out of proportion? I think not.
Teams that win the turnover battle win significantly more games. Is it the only determination? No. Talent level, execution, scheme, physicality, health, and situation management are key factors as well.

Tyrod isn’t a big time playmaker for certain. He is a game manager that does well with a dynamic run game. Neither phase was great @bungals.
If AL/staff don’t think Herbert is ready to play on a week to week basis then he will sit and learn. Justin is the future and we definitely don’t need to demoralize him through a long, rough, season that he mentally may not be truly ready for.
AL has taken all the pressure off Justin in TC and now.
My guess is that Herbert will get the start this week and if he plays well in a win he’ll earn another.

Has anyone given thought of Herbert not having any indication of starting until after the coin flip might have helped him?
Justin just got to go play. He didn’t have to think. He didn’t have to anticipate all week. He didn’t have to sit for the 36 hours from when leaving Friday practice/meetings until Sunday with his mind contemplating.
He is a very cerebral dude but knowing your the starting QB has got to play mind games with you at least week 1.
Prep time, practice snaps, and being part of developing the game plan (having options set to your skillset) will of course help him on the other hand

[gzubeck]

Wildly out of proportion? I think not.
Teams that win the turnover battle win significantly more games. Is it the only determination? No. Talent level, execution, scheme, physicality, health, and situation management are key factors as well.

Tyrod isn’t a big time playmaker for certain. He is a game manager that does well with a dynamic run game. Neither phase was great @bungals.
If AL/staff don’t think Herbert is ready to play on a week to week basis then he will sit and learn. Justin is the future and we definitely don’t need to demoralize him through a long, rough, season that he mentally may not be truly ready for.
AL has taken all the pressure off Justin in TC and now.
My guess is that Herbert will get the start this week and if he plays well in a win he’ll earn another.

Has anyone given thought of Herbert not having any indication of starting until after the coin flip might have helped him?
Justin just got to go play. He didn’t have to think. He didn’t have to anticipate all week. He didn’t have to sit for the 36 hours from when leaving Friday practice/meetings until Sunday with his mind contemplating.
He is a very cerebral dude but knowing your the starting QB has got to play mind games with you at least week 1.
Prep time, practice snaps, and being part of developing the game plan (having options set to your skillset) will of course help him on the other hand

Now that he's wet his willy against one of the top 4 teams in the NFL without requiring shots to get through the pain he's ready to earn and learn...I don't see the pressure being much of a problem going forward!

:thumbsup:

[Charge!]

Tyrod rarely makes turnovers/mistakes. This is the main thing AL is trying to ingrain into this team. Sound, disciplined, situational, assignment football.
Now on the adverse side Tyrod rarely makes any impact plays

true, but that does not matter if you don't score points......Tyrod rarely ever makes a good play, or scoring play...his only wins are beating really bad teams by very low scores......,.... Taylor is the pure definition of don't make mistakes and pray that the other team blunders and give you easy points...... it is marty ball in its purest form.....

unfortunately, it will take a lot of losses before Lynn changes his mind...... and with Lynn's number one focus of using up as much clock as possible, and our defense, the scores of our losses will be low and close, hence no reason in his mind to ever upgrade at QB......

[Charge!]

Wildly out of proportion? I think not.
Teams that win the turnover battle win significantly more games. Is it the only determination? No. Talent level, execution, scheme, physicality, health, and situation management are key factors as well.

Tyrod isn’t a big time playmaker for certain. He is a game manager that does well with a dynamic run game. Neither phase was great @bungals.
If AL/staff don’t think Herbert is ready to play on a week to week basis then he will sit and learn. Justin is the future and we definitely don’t need to demoralize him through a long, rough, season that he mentally may not be truly ready for.
AL has taken all the pressure off Justin in TC and now.
My guess is that Herbert will get the start this week and if he plays well in a win he’ll earn another.

Has anyone given thought of Herbert not having any indication of starting until after the coin flip might have helped him?
Justin just got to go play. He didn’t have to think. He didn’t have to anticipate all week. He didn’t have to sit for the 36 hours from when leaving Friday practice/meetings until Sunday with his mind contemplating.
He is a very cerebral dude but knowing your the starting QB has got to play mind games with you at least week 1.
Prep time, practice snaps, and being part of developing the game plan (having options set to your skillset) will of course help him on the other hand

I would agree except when you take TO's as seriously as Lynn does affects the team and makes QB's play scared, which causes them to avoid or pass on open plays over the middle (just watch Taylor play)....... Lynn needs Herbert to have more brainwashing to turn him into a bigger Taylor....... before he hands him the keys.....

Interesting that Lynn did not have as big a problem with RB fumbles by Ekler and Gordon as he did for QB INT's..... Gordon being let go was more about the $$$$ than the fumbles......