2021 Draft Discussion - Bolts Pick 13th

[like54ninjas]

not sure why we would pay $15m and on up for 44 receptions or thereabouts/year ?? not to mention the years/games he sits out, or the ones he's not 100 percent.

and Turner was just around Michael Schofield good last season, this season has been a virtual no show, and.... he wants to get paid.

those Pro Bowl seasons are in the rear view mirror, and not sure his attitude/mindset bodes well for investing big dollars on an Oline w/just that history.... of not getting value from overpaid, overvalued, nearing over the hill status, Olinemen.... pass.

Hayward, I think we let him go, but risky, albeit perhaps we get lucky again w/a vet and/or some rookie revelations back there ??

ps. have you taken a close look at JJ Schuster Smith.... production and durability look well worth the gambit to me, as don't think we want to leave our rook QB w/a ? opposite Keenan.

I agree with the majority of your thoughts here beach.

I’d offer MikeDub around $10-$11/4 yr/$22G (21 cap hit of $10m), which is really a 2yr ejector or 4yr team friendly.

I have my eye on FA - Fabian Moreau (CB) on a 2yr/11M/$5G and drafting 1-2 CB.

Trai and Casey are cuts/trades for me. We need younger, faster, more ascending players at both positions.

[Topcat]

I agree with the majority of your thoughts here beach.

I’d offer MikeDub around $10-$11/4 yr/$22G (21 cap hit of $10m), which is really a 2yr ejector or 4yr team friendly.

I have my eye on FA - Fabian Moreau (CB) on a 2yr/11M/$5G and drafting 1-2 CB.

Trai and Casey are cuts/trades for me. We need younger, faster, more ascending players at both positions.

Yep, that's the Cheatriot model...better to cut 'em a year early, than a year late...

[beachcomber]

I agree with the majority of your thoughts here beach.

I’d offer MikeDub around $10-$11/4 yr/$22G (21 cap hit of $10m), which is really a 2yr ejector or 4yr team friendly.

I have my eye on FA - Fabian Moreau (CB) on a 2yr/11M/$5G and drafting 1-2 CB.

Trai and Casey are cuts/trades for me. We need younger, faster, more ascending players at both positions.

very well put.... "more ascending players" ....couldn't agree more.

also want to say thanx for naming players, as so many of us here say we want this 'n that kind of player at most every position, like we're at a convenience store or somethin', and....

just ain't the case, so appreciate your naming players Ninj.... makes it easier to gauge where someone is really coming from, and if they've done any research.

case in point.... Moreau seems like a King replacement, no ??

https://www.fanaticalyankee.com/nfl-draft-scouting-reports/fabian-moreau-scouting-report-2017-nfl-draft

UCLA's Fabian Moreau 2017 NFL Draft Scouting Report (withthefirstpick.com)

Scouting Report: Fabian Moreau : Saints (reddit.com)

my concern w/him is that he's more athlete than footballer, and also would be wary of anyone that Rivera demotes to the bench, as think RR has a good eye for talent ??

[Bolt4Knob]

very well put.... "more ascending players" ....couldn't agree more.

also want to say thanx for naming players, as so many of us here say we want this 'n that kind of player at most every position, like we're at a convenience store or somethin', and....

just ain't the case, so appreciate your naming players Ninj.... makes it easier to gauge where someone is really coming from, and if they've done any research.

case in point.... Moreau seems like a King replacement, no ??

https://www.fanaticalyankee.com/nfl-draft-scouting-reports/fabian-moreau-scouting-report-2017-nfl-draft

UCLA's Fabian Moreau 2017 NFL Draft Scouting Report (withthefirstpick.com)

Scouting Report: Fabian Moreau : Saints (reddit.com)

my concern w/him is that he's more athlete than footballer, and also would be wary of anyone that Rivera demotes to the bench, as think RR has a good eye for talent ??

I won't be heartbroken if Turner, Williams and Hayward are gone. I mean, thats 35m of cap space that as you and TopCat have stated, would go towards ascending players. It just opens three holes though and I am not the biggest fan of filling with free agents - at least high dollar ones. As that business model usually doesn't work.

I think two of them will be back and in order - would take Turner first , Williams second, Hayward third. And yes, if you can get Juju for the same money as MW - get JuJu

[21&500]

I’m weary of cutting any Oline talent, specifically Turner since he should be in his prime, regardless if they’re overpaid.

[dmac_bolt]

Hayward has worn out, we saw it start last year and this year its more obvious. That will only get worse next year, he’s not longer able to play lockdown corner so its time to move on. Turner never even showed up to play, i kind of hate the guy for never showing up. I move on from him too, MW, i still like the guy - not $15M like, would need a better contract.

[like54ninjas]

very well put.... "more ascending players" ....couldn't agree more.

also want to say thanx for naming players, as so many of us here say we want this 'n that kind of player at most every position, like we're at a convenience store or somethin', and....

just ain't the case, so appreciate your naming players Ninj.... makes it easier to gauge where someone is really coming from, and if they've done any research.

case in point.... Moreau seems like a King replacement, no ??

https://www.fanaticalyankee.com/nfl-draft-scouting-reports/fabian-moreau-scouting-report-2017-nfl-draft

UCLA's Fabian Moreau 2017 NFL Draft Scouting Report (withthefirstpick.com)

Scouting Report: Fabian Moreau : Saints (reddit.com)
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my concern w/him is that he's more athlete than footballer, and also would be wary of anyone that Rivera demotes to the bench, as think RR has a good eye for talent ??

Moreau had a really solid 2018 season, decline in 2019, and has performed well in 2020 but in a very limited role for the WFT. I loved his athletic profile coming out and has the speed to help matchup in the AFCW. A short term prove it deal for decent money. Upside for the team and player. Draft 1-2 more this year with speed and coverage chops and within a year or two we have answers to the speed in our division.

[beachcomber]

if I'm Jax, am taking the sure thing in Sewell and then trading back up into the QB derby.

would not be surprised to see SF trade up for Zach Wilson, and ditto for Rivera moving up for Micah Parsons.

if and when Fields is still on the board when we select, hope we trade down as am hoping for something similar to our Cromartie/Marcus McNeill draft.... CB/OL one/two.

[Topcat]

I won't be heartbroken if Turner, Williams and Hayward are gone. I mean, thats 35m of cap space that as you and TopCat have stated, would go towards ascending players. It just opens three holes though and I am not the biggest fan of filling with free agents - at least high dollar ones. As that business model usually doesn't work.

I think two of them will be back and in order - would take Turner first , Williams second, Hayward third. And yes, if you can get Juju for the same money as MW - get JuJu

For the record, I'd like to sign Mike Will for a team-friendly deal. But I realize you can't sign everyone to monster deals. And Herbie is the kind of QB who can make even an average wideout look good...so, if Williams finds a better deal somewhere else, so be it...

[beachcomber]

we've had good luck @the #5 spot.... Jammer, LT, Seau, Billy Ray.

[ghost]

Chase Young - Height 6′ 5″, Weight 265 lbs 40 Time: NDA

Micah Parsons - Height 6′ 3″, Weight 245 lbs 40 time: 4.24

Parsons played DE in high school. Penn St. wanted another Lavar Arrington. They got one and he's too much of a physical freak to play off-the-ball LB in the NFL.

[wu-dai clan]

Chase Young - Height 6′ 5″, Weight 265 lbs 40 Time: NDA

Micah Parsons - Height 6′ 3″, Weight 245 lbs 40 time: 4.24

Parsons played DE in high school. Penn St. wanted another Lavar Arrington. They got one and he's too much of a physical freak to play off-the-ball LB in the NFL.

LOL.
Chase Young just manhandles Brandon Knight.
Let him try that against LAC offensive tackles.
:thumbsup: