2022 Official Bolts Draft Superthread

[Bolt Dude]

Re: Herbert vs. Burrow

Both are very good.

Can’t argue with that.

[Steve]

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Personally, I’ll maintain that Schofield is an excellent depth piece, but he’s not the future at RG.

Let's remember that the last time we had a decent OL, Schofield was part of that group. Yes, he is somewhat limited athletically. He does have some trouble with quick inside pass rushers. But he also is excellent at pulling and trapping and pulling and leading across the formation and lately, he is simply outstanding at the double teams in our zone game. His pass protection has been pretty good overall.

I agree, he is not a long-term answer. He is 31. He has the aforementioned athletic limitations. So have a lot of other OL we have had. Mike Goff was a cornerstone of our OL for years under Schotty, and he had some athletic limitations. Both are the 5 best OL, making them the weakest link in the OL. But if you just judge them on whether they are playing well (absolute sense, not relative grading)

Guys like Goff and Schofield are guys you are always on the lookout to replace. But how high a priority is it? Given his age, and the fact that we always need OL depth, moderate. We need to develop someone to replace him, especially if it takes a year or two. Maybe James is the guy, but we won't know because we can't see him in practice.

The idea that we are going to spend 4 draft picks on the OL is simply silly. Extrapolating what F21 points out above, we need some quality players to come in. We are limited to about 8 or 9 OL (again potentially at the cost to other position groups). Add in the extra developmental guy, that means of the 5 starters, that if we have around "4" other rookies, they would have to be the backups at C, OG and OT. Can we get enough guys who can play with the draft picks we have? I don't see us having enough quality draft picks. And that is not addressing the D at all, and given who are FA, I think we will need to use some on D, which has been an even bigger weakness than OL this year.

[powderblueboy]

Let's remember that the last time we had a decent OL, Schofield was part of that group. Yes, he is somewhat limited athletically. He does have some trouble with quick inside pass rushers. But he also is excellent at pulling and trapping and pulling and leading across the formation and lately, he is simply outstanding at the double teams in our zone game. His pass protection has been pretty good overall.

I agree, he is not a long-term answer. He is 31. He has the aforementioned athletic limitations. So have a lot of other OL we have had. Mike Goff was a cornerstone of our OL for years under Schotty, and he had some athletic limitations. Both are the 5 best OL, making them the weakest link in the OL. But if you just judge them on whether they are playing well (absolute sense, not relative grading)

Guys like Goff and Schofield are guys you are always on the lookout to replace. But how high a priority is it? Given his age, and the fact that we always need OL depth, moderate. We need to develop someone to replace him, especially if it takes a year or two. Maybe James is the guy, but we won't know because we can't see him in practice.

The idea that we are going to spend 4 draft picks on the OL is simply silly. Extrapolating what F21 points out above, we need some quality players to come in. We are limited to about 8 or 9 OL (again potentially at the cost to other position groups). Add in the extra developmental guy, that means of the 5 starters, that if we have around "4" other rookies, they would have to be the backups at C, OG and OT. Can we get enough guys who can play with the draft picks we have? I don't see us having enough quality draft picks. And that is not addressing the D at all, and given who are FA, I think we will need to use some on D, which has been an even bigger weakness than OL this year.

Goff was a huge guy, nobody was going to run over him or waltz him into the qb. Schofield isn't Goff, not even close.

[Steve]

The point is both are limited players who get beat in pass protection. Goff used to get beat by quick players all the time, and we were a run 1st team most of the time he played, which helped hide his weaknesses in athleticism.

The point is when you are grading on a relative scale, someone is ALWAYS (by definition) the worst player. It is going to take all our quality picks to get multiple OL to help the team it would one, not help the team immediately (it would take several years to pay off), and the biggest weakness on the team is NOT the OL.

The biggest weakness is still the D. We gave up 174 yards rushing to the Raiders tonight. Gave up the same number of sacks, and for a good part of the 4th quarter, we were forced to throw on every down. This season, we gave up the most points in the 4th quarter of any D EVER.

[gzubeck]

The point is both are limited players who get beat in pass protection. Goff used to get beat by quick players all the time, and we were a run 1st team most of the time he played, which helped hide his weaknesses in athleticism.

The point is when you are grading on a relative scale, someone is ALWAYS (by definition) the worst player. It is going to take all our quality picks to get multiple OL to help the team it would one, not help the team immediately (it would take several years to pay off), and the biggest weakness on the team is NOT the OL.

The biggest weakness is still the D. We gave up 174 yards rushing to the Raiders tonight. Gave up the same number of sacks, and for a good part of the 4th quarter, we were forced to throw on every down. This season, we gave up the most points in the 4th quarter of any D EVER.

After watching Storm norton and schofield all night I wanted to puke how many drives we're destroyed by their crappiness and watched Carr take naps in his backfield. We looked dumb again and missed the playoffs again because of shitty management.

[Boltgang74]

Yeah the D is shit but Herbert is the team period.One of the Many hits he took from the right side tonite looked like he might have been injured.Finish the o line before fixing another section of TTs failures.And yes TT has failed at his job and better be fired.How many years and 2 PO appearances?Enough with mediocrity.Im disgusted.

[powderblueboy]

Yeah the D is shit but Herbert is the team period.One of the Many hits he took from the right side tonite looked like he might have been injured.Finish the o line before fixing another section of TTs failures.And yes TT has failed at his job and better be fired.How many years and 2 PO appearances?Enough with mediocrity.Im disgusted.

Yeah, don't run around fixing everything...stick with the Oline - finish that.
This team is more than one off season away.

Telsco will still be here next year; however, are there any performance based expectations for the guy?
Another mediocre year next year and he'll be back again.

[gzubeck]

Yeah, don't run around fixing everything...stick with the Oline - finish that.

This team is more than one off season away.

Disagree. It's the young rookies coming in that make or break a team every season. Needing three seasons to figure out if a player has it or doesn't have it is killing us. We have subpar coordinators. Staley couldn't know if everyone was gonna work out but it does seem like we had slim pickings for coordinators of choice. Our bright spot is our special teams coach and Lombardi can do alright with decent oline players. Our DC is a little bit like Murray. Too clueless at this point and is by all terms too much of a light weight.

[powderblueboy]

After watching Storm norton and schofield all night I wanted to puke how many drives we're destroyed by their crappiness and watched Carr take naps in his backfield. We looked dumb again and missed the playoffs again because of shitty management.

Its hard to be optimistic about this team being anything but mediocre next year.....and i'm generally an optimistic person.
The coaching staff is so damn young and inexperienced; and they surround themselves with people even younger.

Staley is bright, but there is so much the guy doesn't know, and there is no one to lean on. Its like watching a guy trying to figure things out in the dark.
At least we don't get to see Belichick coach circles around him in the playoffs.

[gzubeck]

Its hard to be optimistic about this team being anything but mediocre next year.....and i'm generally an optimistic person.
The coaching staff is so damn young and inexperienced; and they surround themselves with people even younger.

Staley is bright, but there is so much the guy doesn't know, and there is no one to lean on. Its like watching a guy trying to figure things out in the dark.
At least we don't get to see Belichick coach circles around him in the playoffs.

I'm wondering if Lombardi purposely sabotaged this game by completely exposing Storm Norton so he gets a solid replacement. He probably knew we wouldn't go far into the playoffs with the right side shit show! I'm optimistic in the sense that the Chargers will have a ton of game footage to determine who stays and who goes. Maybe we should keep Mike Williams and plan on releasing KA after next season. KA is a good receiver but if he's doubled teamed he's shut down completely. We have bright spots it's just that this years ugly players brought down the house too many times. Herbert did enough to get us into the playoffs it's the stupid mismanagement that got us kicked out way to early.

:coffee:

[gzubeck]

Post Game presser was fairly good by staley. I don't want to even talk about Herbert presser because I don't think he understands yet that other parts of this team let him down.

[Leslie Grossman]

The point is both are limited players who get beat in pass protection. Goff used to get beat by quick players all the time, and we were a run 1st team most of the time he played, which helped hide his weaknesses in athleticism.

The point is when you are grading on a relative scale, someone is ALWAYS (by definition) the worst player. It is going to take all our quality picks to get multiple OL to help the team it would one, not help the team immediately (it would take several years to pay off), and the biggest weakness on the team is NOT the OL.

The biggest weakness is still the D. We gave up 174 yards rushing to the Raiders tonight. Gave up the same number of sacks, and for a good part of the 4th quarter, we were forced to throw on every down. This season, we gave up the most points in the 4th quarter of any D EVER.

Worst 4th quarter D in history? Always gassed because they are the worst against the run. An undersized defense and Murray is a disaster.