1. RB. You are right, Rodney Anderson was good which helps me, TY. He has the best hands of all the names you have mentioned. He had 21 targets, 17 catches for 281 yard and 5 receiving TD in 2017. He was a key player in the CFP in 2017. His hands were one of the big reason why Bengals picked him up in the 6th round after he tear his ACL in his senior year, he had 4 reception and 51 yds in their 3rd preseason game before he tear his ACL again. And Trey Sermon was good and making the 2017 depth even stronger. 2019 suppose to be the year Trey Sermon shows if he has it to be a good running back but then he got injured, that certainly didn't help your argument, so that is a discount right there. Then Kennedy Brooks comes in for Sermon. First off Kennedy Brooks does not have the hands like Sermon or Anderson. Also his 155 att, 1011 yrds plus 6 TD just not what I consider great, not to mention the best they have ever had,.
Remember we are only talking 2017 because i used it as an example, Remember typing this?...... "There was WR running wide open that he usually just flat out didn’t see. His time to throw was the most in the entire FBS there’s no excuse not to see Open WR. Especially in coach Riley’s system. This was the deepest skill group OU has ever had and they were pretty much rendered pointless because of hurts." Haven't even talk about other years like 2018.
Besides, Kennedy success more or less the product of the system. He was running in a zone blocking system with a mobile quarter back in a read option offense. which defense has to account for both of them for run plays. And he would probably not touch the ball unless the quarterback sees that his lane is open and hands it off. On this game hightlight against Iowa which he puts up monster stats line, 15 att, 123 yds and 1 td; even so when you watch the video, you can tell he is untouched on the regular, running through the open lane. How much talent does it take to do that? And that is 123 of his 1,011 yds total on the year. They haven't had a RB that rushes for over 1600 yds in 3 years. Good line or bad.
Ramondre Stevenson looks good, has the talent but he isn't impacting the game this year as you had let on. He average 5 carries a game and his carries are pretty much consistence through out the season. http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cfb/....asp?id=303454
And why even mention, Sutton who carried the ball 22 times in 2017 and Pledger who you said had "proven" himself to you with 10 carries. What did you see in those 10 carries?? I think you are using the word talent very loosely, when a guy carries the ball 10 times, that's not talent; that's potential. You got show that you potential lives up before calling it a talent.
WR. This one is debatable. How is it they had no depth in 2017 but so loaded in 2019? First off, yeah Marquise Brown is Marquise Brown and you already know it. Then we have this freshman Ceedee Lamb, one that you claim Rambo is superior to. How so when Ceedee Lamb had 46 receptions in 2017 for 814 yds and 7TD, and Rambo this past year has 43 receptions, 743 yds and 5 TD. Looks to me they are both playing the same roles and getting similar result. To say one is superior than the other with as little backing you gave was not very convincing. Trivia: When was the last time an OU freshman WR put up his stats? Plus if it wasn't for Andrews, his target would've gone up for sure.
And those "Future 1st round picks you mentioned" - Haselwood and Wease, talented or not are just role players at this point that hardly touch the ball, why are we talking about player who has less than 20 receptions and hailing them as depth. That's reeling. I can name at least 5 other WR on the 2017 roster that has more than 20 receptions.
TE. This one isn't even close. Mark Andrews was a former wide receiver and a Mackey Award winner. Mark Andrews had 63 catches, 974 yds and 8 TD. He leads OU in rec and yards. First off, of all the starter quality TE's you have listed, Lee Morris has never and was never a TE. He was inspire by Lee Morris Sr. to be a WR in OU and he did just that. So you are down to 3, Those 3 combined for 23 receptions, 413 yds plus 3 TD. What depth, forget depth, aren't we talking about "Best skill position OU had ever had"? Reily has shown what he can do with a good TE in Andrews so if he has somebody like that on his roster, won't you think he would utilize?
And if we are talking about skill positions then lets talk about them as a unit. Mark Andrews is a match up nightmare especially on the post. Marquise Brown is know for his speed and Mark Andrews has helped creating single match ups for him to burn and play up to his strength. Although one can argue 2017 top WR in Marquise Brown is lesser than Ceedee of this year, but I have a problem calling Rambo better than a freshman Ceedee. Adding Andrews which he often line up as a slot WR, and function as one. The parts already looks it, and the sum of its parts is even better than its individual component. So as a whole, the skill position is much more complete and functional in 2017 than 2019. Hands down.
2. The only time the offensive line really look decent is zone blocking. Which can be quite different than conventional pass protection that is more power concept. Your chart is skewd and so is your rebuttal at first you post this and it said, average time to throw. and when peeps raise question about it you conveniently follow up with this
Which this one obviously said, Time in pocket; not average time to throw. I bet they aren't even linked. Why would you even do that, you think people wouldn't recognize that??
3. When you say an entire group is best of all time; I don't know about you but in grammar there is good, better and best. Seems like best tops them all with no equal right? Not even one of the best, but best has no equal.
As far as saying stats doesn't matter. This is what you said quoting from your post "What I tell you is the cold truth and that’s that Jalen is exactly what is haters say he is. In the back half of the season he completely handicapped the offense. Jalen is not a natural QB at all. Not that stats even matter in the 1st place, but most his explosive plays come OU WR core being so explosive.
And this "I’m seeing a lot of stats, but stats honestly don’t mean much, they just show the end result. Especially for QB’s. The details are what’s most important. 2 plays that both result in a TD can be completely different." And also, which detail is most important in your opinion? Detail tapes, detail stats what is it? Eh you know that's why there are all kinds of situational stats out there.
4. Yeah and with the adjustment of their overall defensive player efficiency, like DL efficiency and ILB against drop backs, etc. they are neck to neck. Adding TCU has defensive players that are slot in the upper in this year's draft like Ross Blacklock. Also Kansas St. allowed 10 less TD than TCU did.
5. Yeah you should. And You should also try to use less emotion and he say, she say in your arguments. You keeps on talking about the system, progression and all that; you haven't give one realistic example of any progression or any read. show an example of how you analyze progressions and schemes, let's see it.
As for tapes, I have yet seen you put up anything with tapes not to even mention what you think of them. Your stats is not even informative just plain stats with no analytical content attached or perimeter or how it is collected.
I found myself getting very little out of your post. Mostly, just words but has very little substance.
Remember we are only talking 2017 because i used it as an example, Remember typing this?...... "There was WR running wide open that he usually just flat out didn’t see. His time to throw was the most in the entire FBS there’s no excuse not to see Open WR. Especially in coach Riley’s system. This was the deepest skill group OU has ever had and they were pretty much rendered pointless because of hurts." Haven't even talk about other years like 2018.
Besides, Kennedy success more or less the product of the system. He was running in a zone blocking system with a mobile quarter back in a read option offense. which defense has to account for both of them for run plays. And he would probably not touch the ball unless the quarterback sees that his lane is open and hands it off. On this game hightlight against Iowa which he puts up monster stats line, 15 att, 123 yds and 1 td; even so when you watch the video, you can tell he is untouched on the regular, running through the open lane. How much talent does it take to do that? And that is 123 of his 1,011 yds total on the year. They haven't had a RB that rushes for over 1600 yds in 3 years. Good line or bad.
Ramondre Stevenson looks good, has the talent but he isn't impacting the game this year as you had let on. He average 5 carries a game and his carries are pretty much consistence through out the season. http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cfb/....asp?id=303454
And why even mention, Sutton who carried the ball 22 times in 2017 and Pledger who you said had "proven" himself to you with 10 carries. What did you see in those 10 carries?? I think you are using the word talent very loosely, when a guy carries the ball 10 times, that's not talent; that's potential. You got show that you potential lives up before calling it a talent.
WR. This one is debatable. How is it they had no depth in 2017 but so loaded in 2019? First off, yeah Marquise Brown is Marquise Brown and you already know it. Then we have this freshman Ceedee Lamb, one that you claim Rambo is superior to. How so when Ceedee Lamb had 46 receptions in 2017 for 814 yds and 7TD, and Rambo this past year has 43 receptions, 743 yds and 5 TD. Looks to me they are both playing the same roles and getting similar result. To say one is superior than the other with as little backing you gave was not very convincing. Trivia: When was the last time an OU freshman WR put up his stats? Plus if it wasn't for Andrews, his target would've gone up for sure.
And those "Future 1st round picks you mentioned" - Haselwood and Wease, talented or not are just role players at this point that hardly touch the ball, why are we talking about player who has less than 20 receptions and hailing them as depth. That's reeling. I can name at least 5 other WR on the 2017 roster that has more than 20 receptions.
TE. This one isn't even close. Mark Andrews was a former wide receiver and a Mackey Award winner. Mark Andrews had 63 catches, 974 yds and 8 TD. He leads OU in rec and yards. First off, of all the starter quality TE's you have listed, Lee Morris has never and was never a TE. He was inspire by Lee Morris Sr. to be a WR in OU and he did just that. So you are down to 3, Those 3 combined for 23 receptions, 413 yds plus 3 TD. What depth, forget depth, aren't we talking about "Best skill position OU had ever had"? Reily has shown what he can do with a good TE in Andrews so if he has somebody like that on his roster, won't you think he would utilize?
And if we are talking about skill positions then lets talk about them as a unit. Mark Andrews is a match up nightmare especially on the post. Marquise Brown is know for his speed and Mark Andrews has helped creating single match ups for him to burn and play up to his strength. Although one can argue 2017 top WR in Marquise Brown is lesser than Ceedee of this year, but I have a problem calling Rambo better than a freshman Ceedee. Adding Andrews which he often line up as a slot WR, and function as one. The parts already looks it, and the sum of its parts is even better than its individual component. So as a whole, the skill position is much more complete and functional in 2017 than 2019. Hands down.
2. The only time the offensive line really look decent is zone blocking. Which can be quite different than conventional pass protection that is more power concept. Your chart is skewd and so is your rebuttal at first you post this and it said, average time to throw. and when peeps raise question about it you conveniently follow up with this
Which this one obviously said, Time in pocket; not average time to throw. I bet they aren't even linked. Why would you even do that, you think people wouldn't recognize that??
3. When you say an entire group is best of all time; I don't know about you but in grammar there is good, better and best. Seems like best tops them all with no equal right? Not even one of the best, but best has no equal.
As far as saying stats doesn't matter. This is what you said quoting from your post "What I tell you is the cold truth and that’s that Jalen is exactly what is haters say he is. In the back half of the season he completely handicapped the offense. Jalen is not a natural QB at all. Not that stats even matter in the 1st place, but most his explosive plays come OU WR core being so explosive.
And this "I’m seeing a lot of stats, but stats honestly don’t mean much, they just show the end result. Especially for QB’s. The details are what’s most important. 2 plays that both result in a TD can be completely different." And also, which detail is most important in your opinion? Detail tapes, detail stats what is it? Eh you know that's why there are all kinds of situational stats out there.
4. Yeah and with the adjustment of their overall defensive player efficiency, like DL efficiency and ILB against drop backs, etc. they are neck to neck. Adding TCU has defensive players that are slot in the upper in this year's draft like Ross Blacklock. Also Kansas St. allowed 10 less TD than TCU did.
5. Yeah you should. And You should also try to use less emotion and he say, she say in your arguments. You keeps on talking about the system, progression and all that; you haven't give one realistic example of any progression or any read. show an example of how you analyze progressions and schemes, let's see it.
As for tapes, I have yet seen you put up anything with tapes not to even mention what you think of them. Your stats is not even informative just plain stats with no analytical content attached or perimeter or how it is collected.
I found myself getting very little out of your post. Mostly, just words but has very little substance.
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