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  • Boltnut
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    Master of Puppets shall now be known simply as... "Master".

    Who you got @#6 this year...?

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  • MasterOfPuppets
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    Originally posted by Critty View Post
    I had Herbert so I'm good, but A LOT of posters have to come in here to eat crow

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  • Boltjolt
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    Originally posted by gzubeck View Post

    This is like two strangers seeing the same thing and drawing completely different conclusions. Hurts was scrambling for his life against the Baylor defenders. This was not a walk in the park for hurts.
    This happens all the time, even when watching Charger games lol. Draft pundits disagreeing on players and why I don't bother reading some so called experts opinions.

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  • C'monchargers
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    Originally posted by DerekReed98 View Post

    You right about the time in pocket thing that’s my bad didn’t even realize. As for the rest there’s so much wrong with what you just said I’m just gonna let it go. You have a wonderful night.
    I have done that before too, I am just that guy like that guy was to me when I first started, to remind each other to tighten that game up. Olive branch is passed on haha. I've been on CMB since 2006 so trust me, it wasn't perfect at first.

    And rest would just have to agree to disagree.

    Reason why I said use less emotion in your argument is that because, that's you last line of defense. Once you let it out there its hard to walk back on. Because with such commitment, its going to hurt the ego and soul a little to walk back on even if you want to.

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  • gzubeck
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    Originally posted by JOJAX85 View Post

    Yeh, the 1st half that Baylor D looked like the '85 Bears. OU held the ball the entire 2nd Half at they just got absolutely gassed.
    Rope a dope! LOL!

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  • JOJAX85
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    Originally posted by gzubeck View Post

    This is like two strangers seeing the same thing and drawing completely different conclusions. Hurts was scrambling for his life against the Baylor defenders. This was not a walk in the park for hurts.
    Yeh, the 1st half that Baylor D looked like the '85 Bears. OU held the ball the entire 2nd Half at they just got absolutely gassed.

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  • gzubeck
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    Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post

    Dammit! Now i have to go watch it again. If memory serves me, on several occasions he got sacked trying to run with the football instead of moving up in the pocket to buy time. That thoroughly turned me off to Hurts. Its not just his issue with tucking and running when first pressured, it's having no idea where he should slide to under duress. Its a habit he won't break as a pro.
    I think whats bothering you is the turnovers in the red zone. His height and loosy goosey with the football are his negatives. He reminds me of russel wilson in some ways.

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  • powderblueboy
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    Originally posted by gzubeck View Post

    This is like two strangers seeing the same thing and drawing completely different conclusions. Hurts was scrambling for his life against the Baylor defenders. This was not a walk in the park for hurts.
    Dammit! Now i have to go watch it again. If memory serves me, on several occasions he got sacked trying to run with the football instead of moving up in the pocket to buy time. That thoroughly turned me off to Hurts. Its not just his issue with tucking and running when first pressured, it's having no idea where he should slide to under duress. Its a habit he won't break as a pro.

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  • gzubeck
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    Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post

    Hurts looked like complete garbage the first half against Baylor. He did tons of stuff that you exactly don't want to see in an NFL prospect. Lots of easy outlet passes and scrambles in the comeback - nothing special.

    His performance in the Baylor game gave me huge doubts about Hurst as a solid NFL qb.
    This is like two strangers seeing the same thing and drawing completely different conclusions. Hurts was scrambling for his life against the Baylor defenders. This was not a walk in the park for hurts.

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  • powderblueboy
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    Originally posted by DerekReed98 View Post

    I personally don’t like to rank them but instead put them into groups.
    G1
    Burrow, Tua.
    These 2 come with question marks like Burrows one year wonder and obviously Tua has major injury history. But the on field abilities can’t be denied.
    G2
    Herbert, Eason, Love.
    Herbert has a nice combination of size, arm strength and athleticism. I believe Oregon’s scheme actually slowed his development and he should grow considerably when put around a more normal style offense. A Academic All American he’s obviously a smart kid and worth betting on.

    Eason May very well have the nicest throwing ability in this draft along with ideal size. He can really sling it. His biggest issues I believe comes from his inexperience as he struggles with pressure and is slow on his reads which can cause him to make some really bad throws. He’s still getting a feel for the game. Which I believe will come with time. Not a very athletic guy either tbh.

    Love Has the ideal physical build and arm, but comes with the biggest question marks. Who is he? Some will say he can’t succeed because his latest year was bad where he had to many turnovers. But he lost his top 2 WR, his RB, his entire line and his head coach. Can you really blame him for not being as good as his previous year when he had more turnover then basically every QB ever. Also you can’t just sweep his previous year where he was making plays and SAFE with the football under the rug. He has the tools, but also needs the right situation.

    So those are my top QB’s, I would not mind drafting whoever they believe their guy is. Just hope they make sure the one they truly want is the one that gets picked.
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    Eason had only one year in Chris Peterson's offense, and Peterson ran a complex offense by college standards. That will slow down your decision making under pressure.

    He didn't have many tools to work with either: best receiver was a mediocre tight end.

    I hope New England doesn't grab him at #21. They can take Love/Hurst if they like.

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  • powderblueboy
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    Originally posted by C'monchargers View Post

    You are going to have to back that up. With tapes, facts, or stats whatever.

    First off, statistics merely tells you what happen, when did it happen; it's up to whoever it is to use it to figure out, how it happen and why. So to a certain extend, you are right; if the info get into a certain hand it would be useless. If you don't put much thought into connecting the dots, its just dots. But if it gets into some other hands, it can be very useful.

    You mention you are from Oklahoma and had been a life long fan, So you must be forgetful in saying this year "They had the best skill position ever" when only 3 long years ago, they had Mark Andrews, Marquise Brown and Ceedee Lamb on the roster. Second you said this year "he has the most time to throw in college football", how? Their best rank olineman was ranked 76th in Adrian Ealy - rating at 73.4 in all situations. They are 46th in pass-blocking and their highest ranking positional player ranked just 42nd in pass protection. Creed Hunphrey regress big time from 2018. On top of that,Swenson and Ealy both dealt with injury, Ealy was hurt before the game against Texas. In 2017 They had one of the best oline in football with Orlando Brown being a top 5 olineman in NCAA.

    For somebody who said stats means nothing, you sure throw out some stats (most time to throw, best skill positions.....)

    You said you are a bottom line person, bottom line is he had lost 2 games only as a sooner. Once against Kansas st. which has a even stronger secondary than TCU, and against LSU. So Bottom line he wins.

    Which game late in the season he almost lost, like the one against Baylor?? First off, sooners fan,, you should be grateful he beat, Baylor not once but twice for you guys.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n5rcbWCgAU&t=949s

    This is tape of the 1st Baylor game, which they win with a field goal.

    They are dominated at the line of scrimmage on the offensive front early on and often. They can't contain nobody, I hardly call this kind of protection best in the nation. He brought team back from 28-3 to win the game. Granted the defense had held Baylor scoreless in the second half but offense need to score to win right, especially when you are behind 25 points.


    I am not going to argue against myself, that;s on you. I am going ahead and tell you what imo he does well.

    7:25 - redzone, shot gun formation. Take the snap, check down and read through he progression which is from left to right and find the TE for a TD. Like I said before his 2nd tier target has very high reception to TD ratio and you can see why. They aren't as talented or as polished, so you aren't beating peeps in the distance or with great route running, but you can out quick defense and catch. It is a systemic thing, it's by design to rely on go to in normal passing situation and spread on redzone and close distance situation. In addition, you don't throw a TD to a 3rd, 4th option guy without reading the first 3. Right?? It make sense.

    Also, look at how he checks down. Not rush, just going to through it and zip it in the window away from coverage. That is a sustainable play that can be replicate.

    10:40 - again, redzone. I don't want to type too much so I will just pick a few plays. He does his pre game snap read, which is one characteristics of a read option offense compare to how to read from under the center. Anyhow he motions the WR across. Ball snap, wr pull the CB away from the TE and he goes throw his read, WR cover, 2nd read TE open; throw across his body, TD. Again, going through his motion and stay calm and collective from his pre snap count to spread out the defense to looking off the CB and come back to his original target, which he try to free up right from the get go. That's another sustainable play call that can be repeated.

    There is one thing that i would agree with you, he does have a fumbling issue and that's need to be adjusted. He almost did not complete the come back. I wouldn't necessarily call it "He almost lost it" because he got to bring them back to almost lose it again in the first place.
    Hurts looked like complete garbage the first half against Baylor. He did tons of stuff that you exactly don't want to see in an NFL prospect. Lots of easy outlet passes and scrambles in the comeback - nothing special.

    His performance in the Baylor game gave me huge doubts about Hurst as a solid NFL qb.

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