Rank the QB Draft prospects

[C'monchargers]

Good stuff....it doesn't change my opinion of Hurts, which is he needs tons of work as a pocket QB, and is not a sure thing for this league...but it's nice to read good, well thought out arguments. FWIW, I would be just fine if we pick him up at 37, giving him a shot...might even entertain giving up a 4th to move into the very late first if necessary, and also nab that 5th year option...vital for a QB you will probably redshirt.

Thanks. And FWIW these are just opinions, and that's....pretty much it. There are so much more to it to be a QB than just tapes and stats, how they think is just as important too. So just my take, I stick to my gun and still believe he will surprise some people. He is not that far away. Compare to Love, he is so far ahead. The fear in Love's game is, does this year affect him like Hackenberg was in Penn State? Which is he develop so much bad habit that it has lingering affect to his game. This year Love's flash play, you can routinely pick out those that makes you think "man that almost was a really bad play". That's scary. He has to correct his mechanics. His read is suspect at times so he might have a steeper learning curve; so if you have to teach him how to move and teach him the basics of things; how long it takes for him to be ready?

Back to Hurts, I think my favorite thing about him is he might be there for a value pick. Objectively as much as I like what he has done so far, he does have a market value. In every draft, there are movers and there are values, I see him on the value side. In 2015, Dak Prescott was arguably the best QB in the SEC but slide all the way to 4th. So I do see the possiblity this year, after the rush, the market exhaust and some value tend to fall. He probably be there pass top tier 2nd and beyond. His past tapes, switching teams, etc doesn't scream draft me. Team can easily ration to draft somebody else "more qualify".

[JOJAX85]

My post combine rankings....

1. Joe Burrow- Not as high as some on this kid...not the best tools in the draft. But they are good tools, he has good size...and on the biggest stage there is, outside of the NFL itself, he flat out got it done, one year or not. He earned the spot, so I am giving it to him. Conclusion: Won't be available

2. Tua Tagovailoa- Tua is so good at what he does well....and there is a lot he does well....that many overlook some really key areas. Like size, durability, and true long ball talent. Still, he has earned his spot on this list as well. I really don't like him for the Chargers, but if this guy was in reach for us? We would almost certainly take him into the new stadium/era with us, and I can't say I would be disappointed...just worried and anxious every time I saw him take a hit. Conclusion: Probably won't be available, but makes too much sense not to draft if he is.

3. Justin Herbert- This prospect bothered me, because despite the raw talent he had, which was talked about for 3 seasons, he never really broke out like anticipated. The film isn't as great as the stats. However, after showcasing some wheels in the Rose Bowl, and winning both practice and game MVP at the Senior Bowl...and now with a really nice combine...as I said in another thread, the clay you have to work with is just too good to pass up. Also...I like what I see in the interviews...it's not the most important thing, but I like the kid...he is someone I would like to root for as a Charger. Conclusion: Possibly available, and would definitely draft at #6.

4. Jalen Hurts- Like his combine performance. Wheels and arm top notch. Great playaker. Needs work from the pocket, progressing thru reads before running, per watching film, but he really fits Lynn IMO...not saying I have the inside track on what Lynn wants in a QB, just speculation. If we roll with Tyrod, it might be a really good situation for all involved, to scoop him up in the second. Conclusion: Draft second round

5. Jordan Love-Added this on edit, see eval below, would draft in second round maybe, but boom or bust prospect IMO

6. Jacob Eason- Still think he has the best arm overall in the draft, both power and touch. I wish he had another year of film to watch...not as mobile as I would like, but not a statue. Conclusion: Not sure he fits Lynn, but I would draft him second round. Conclusion: Draftable in second round

7. Jake Fromm- I think this guy has got great character, and is a great football player...but may be limited by his physical gifts both athletically and arm wise...I think in the right system, he could be really good in the NFL...but that's not us, I don't believe. Conclusion: Not a fit, do not draft

What about Jordan Love? Still evaluating, will insert him in near future, but I gotta go to work! LOL...

Hurts is growing to be my 1st favorite option at our QB situation. I just love how the kid carries himself. He's a team 1st guy. Strong as a bull. Very calm. I think it will translate well when the bullets are flying.

[Lone Bolt]

Personally I always found the argument of Jalen Hurts "Will Run after first read" a bit harsh and with very leverage against his recent work.

First off, you don't amass - 3,851 yards which rank 9th in the nation, 32 TD which rank 11th in a 4 way tie with TUA, HERBERT and Sam Ehlinger - when you will take off if your first progression is covered.

Second, Kyler Murray's last year in Oklahoma threw for 4,361 yards and rushed for 1001 yards. If Kyler has a full year of experience in the system and still rush over 1000 yards, naturally one would assume this Kyler Murray's oklahoma offensive scheme will involve the QB running. Jalen Hurts basically went there to run the exactly offense and did it pretty well consider the amount of experience he had or the lack of, in the offense. On top of that his footwork is better. He pivot and align decently with his target on his check down compare to anything he had done prior and he looks stronger, functionally stronger.

https://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...og?season=2017

This is game logs for Kyler Murray's first year in Oklahoma, he play sparingly but his pass to run ratio is 3/2, that is almost the same ratio as Jalen Hurts at 1.45~ pass to rush ratio. At this point (Similar in Blocking but not identical to the scheme Baker was in), this system have a large amount of play that involve the QB running if he sees fit. There is a disdain difference between, "A QB choose to run first in a fight or flight" and "A QB is told to run if the option is open".

Also, this is Jalen's first year playing at Oklahoma, whose to say he won't make similar improvement as Kyler did if he has a second year.

He really only had run more than he threw in 1 game, which is against that TCU zone that just wrecked the Okalahoma passing game.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/40

TCU is top 7 in holding to opp to 360 passes only on the year, 11th in int with 22, top 8 against passing in yardage. But yet allowed 22 TDs.
So if you look at Jalen Hurts' Stat in that game, it basically was a well call game to take what was given by the defense. You know its going to be tough to pass against them so they run, and did it well 28 attempts, 173 yards and 2TD with a 6.2 yards avg. Even with a season low 52% completion rate in that game,he still manage to throw 2 TD only 1 int and took the W home.

I am having a hard time finding the game tape and i rather not just post the link to a highlight to eval. So no tape eval for this game from me.

PS: One thing Jalen Hurts said a few weeks back caught my ears. He said nothing in Alabama help him to succeed as a QB..... Here is a list of Nick Saban's QB and he was there since 2007

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...a/passing.html

Yeah I would have to say Nick Saban is more often than not on the miss side as a QB developer. Mind you these are not low class recruit coming out of high school neither. Even in the case of Tua you have seen very little improvement from year to year. All he did was win, not improve.

Good stuff....it doesn't change my opinion of Hurts, which is he needs tons of work as a pocket QB, and is not a sure thing for this league...but it's nice to read good, well thought out arguments. FWIW, I would be just fine if we pick him up at 37, giving him a shot...might even entertain giving up a 4th to move into the very late first if necessary, and also nab that 5th year option...vital for a QB you will probably redshirt.

[C'monchargers]

Personally I always found the argument of Jalen Hurts "Will Run after first read" a bit harsh and with very little leverage against his recent work.

First off, you don't amass - 3,851 yards which rank 9th in the nation, 32 TD which rank 11th in a 4 way tie with TUA, HERBERT and Sam Ehlinger - when you will take off if your first progression is covered.

Second, Kyler Murray's last year in Oklahoma threw for 4,361 yards and rushed for 1001 yards. If Kyler has a full year of experience in the system and still rush over 1000 yards, naturally one would assume this Kyler Murray's oklahoma offensive scheme will involve the QB running. Jalen Hurts basically went there to run the exact offense and did it pretty well consider the amount of experience he had or the lack of, in the offense. On top of that his footwork is better. He pivot and align decently with his target on his check down compare to anything he had done prior and he looks stronger, functionally stronger.

https://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...og?season=2017

This is game logs for Kyler Murray's first year in Oklahoma, he play sparingly but his pass to run ratio is 3/2, that is almost the same ratio as Jalen Hurts at 1.45~ pass to rush ratio. At this point (Similar in Blocking but not identical to the scheme Baker was in), this system have a large amount of play that involve the QB running if he sees fit. There is a disdain difference between, "A QB choose to run first in a fight or flight" and "A QB is told to run if the option is open".

Also, this is Jalen's first year playing at Oklahoma, whose to say he won't make similar improvement as Kyler did if he has a second year.

He really only had run more than he threw in 1 game, which is against that TCU zone that just wrecked the Oklahoma passing game.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/40

TCU is top 7 in holding to opp to 360 passes only on the year, 11th in int with 22, top 8 against passing in yardage. But yet allowed 22 TDs.
So if you look at Jalen Hurts' Stat in that game, it basically was a well call game to take what was given by the defense. You know its going to be tough to pass against them so they run, and did it well 28 attempts, 173 yards and 2TD with a 6.2 yards avg. Even with a season low 52% completion rate in that game,he still manage to throw 2 TD only 1 int and took the W home.

I am having a hard time finding the game tape and i rather not just post the link to a highlight to eval. So no tape eval for this game from me.

PS: One thing Jalen Hurts said a few weeks back caught my ears. He said nothing in Alabama help him to succeed as a QB..... Here is a list of Nick Saban's QB and he was there since 2007

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...a/passing.html

Yeah I would have to say Nick Saban is more often than not on the miss side as a QB developer. Mind you these are not low class recruit coming out of high school neither. Even in the case of Tua which he is playing well and he showed off his talent; but you have seen very little improvement from year to year. All he did was win, not improve.

[Boltjolt]

Tend to agree Lone but really I'm a skeptic that either will be a good pro.
Herbert looked great in shorts with no defense in front of him but we expected that as some said he would have a great combine. Said the same about Hurts.

Tape is King here with the QBs. Once again for me, coming from Rivers its hard to love these guys asside from Burrow.
Whoever we get, I'll just hope for the best.

[alex8080]

Jamie Newman, JT Daniels

The real intriguing qb will be Costello. A year with leach after Stanford

[Lone Bolt]

Ok....follow up to my post combine rankings on QBs from above, where I left out Jordan Love. I also almost left out Tua and Burrows...just feel they will be unavailable. To me, Love is the same...but because I would be completely unwilling to draft him at #6, or probably anywhere but late first round...but he will go earlier, and we pick at #6. In other words, he doesn't really fall where we would pick him. But I'll speak on him...by comparing him to Herbert.

Herbert left questions on the field, but strong post season, and wonderful tools to work with led me to compare him to clay that was too good to not try and mold into something special...or something along those lines....to be fair, this is somewhat true for Love as well....there is a lot to like there as far as size, athleticism, arm, etc....so what is the difference?

Herbert's questions involve him not taking over games, or making flashy plays. He played more conservative, smarter, than people would have liked. They wanted to see him ball out, and he disappointed by doing only what he was asked to do, and took care of the football. So, he didn't evolve his passing game the way pundits thought he would...and that is considered a knock.

Love, on the other hand, showed more flare...more playmaking tendencies, and took more chances downfield...which sometimes payed off nicely. But when faced with a season with a less talented team, when he faced adversity....instead of playing smart, he made a lot of bad decisions.

To me there is no comparison...I would rather take the prospect who played a little too conservative, and stayed inside the box...but who obviously has the talent to do more, than the prospect who kept making bad decision after bad decision, instead of taking care of the football. In other words, I like the raw materials Herbert has over Love.

I honestly don't know how anyone on this forum, and even some pundits, project Love to possibly be the better pro. Herbert has the better arm, looked better throwing at both Senior Bowl week and the combine, out tested Love athletically, and spent his career putting up great numbers against superior competition. Also interviews better, and by all accounts is highly intelligent.

I am not as down on Love as I was...I'm not gonna condemn him for that bad season...but I wouldn't spend a 6 on him, no way...nor do I believe he will be the better pro. Conclusion: Draftable in the second, where he won't be.

[WindsorUK]

Herbert ran a 4.68 40!
Hell, if he fails as a QB, he can move to TE!

[Critty]

If I just rank them by wins above avg analysis.
1.Burrow
2.Hurts
3.Fromm
4.Tua
5.Herbert
6.Eason
7.Love

If I'm ranking how they will do in NFL
1.Burrow
2.Tua (if remain healthy)
3.Love
4.Herbert
5.Hurts
6.Fromm
7.Eason

Part of their success will be the team they go to
Bengals
Dolphins
Chargers
Colts
Raiders
Jaguars
Buccaneers
Patriots
Titans

I rank Love higher because his 2018 season showed what he can do when he has chemistry.
The 2019 Utah St team returned only 1 starter to offense beside Love. And the coaching staff was brand new. So...i think he just was not comfortable. And the stats say the pressure and throwing windows for him were awful in 2019. He should sit a year and learn. and when he does play, he will make some poor throws as he develops but he has all the tools to be great.

Fromm is interesting. He ranks high throwing into tight windows which is great, but then he ranks low throwing to open windows, so its like he can make a lot of clutch passes but misses a few too many easy passes. What gives?

[Lone Bolt]

My post combine rankings....

1. Joe Burrow- Not as high as some on this kid...not the best tools in the draft. But they are good tools, he has good size...and on the biggest stage there is, outside of the NFL itself, he flat out got it done, one year or not. He earned the spot, so I am giving it to him. Conclusion: Won't be available

2. Tua Tagovailoa- Tua is so good at what he does well....and there is a lot he does well....that many overlook some really key areas. Like size, durability, and true long ball talent. Still, he has earned his spot on this list as well. I really don't like him for the Chargers, but if this guy was in reach for us? We would almost certainly take him into the new stadium/era with us, and I can't say I would be disappointed...just worried and anxious every time I saw him take a hit. Conclusion: Probably won't be available, but makes too much sense not to draft if he is.

3. Justin Herbert- This prospect bothered me, because despite the raw talent he had, which was talked about for 3 seasons, he never really broke out like anticipated. The film isn't as great as the stats. However, after showcasing some wheels in the Rose Bowl, and winning both practice and game MVP at the Senior Bowl...and now with a really nice combine...as I said in another thread, the clay you have to work with is just too good to pass up. Also...I like what I see in the interviews...it's not the most important thing, but I like the kid...he is someone I would like to root for as a Charger. Conclusion: Possibly available, and would definitely draft at #6.

4. Jalen Hurts- Like his combine performance. Wheels and arm top notch. Great playaker. Needs work from the pocket, progressing thru reads before running, per watching film, but he really fits Lynn IMO...not saying I have the inside track on what Lynn wants in a QB, just speculation. If we roll with Tyrod, it might be a really good situation for all involved, to scoop him up in the second. Conclusion: Draft second round

5. Jordan Love-Added this on edit, see eval below, would draft in second round maybe, but boom or bust prospect IMO

6. Jacob Eason- Still think he has the best arm overall in the draft, both power and touch. I wish he had another year of film to watch...not as mobile as I would like, but not a statue. Conclusion: Not sure he fits Lynn, but I would draft him second round. Conclusion: Draftable in second round

7. Jake Fromm- I think this guy has got great character, and is a great football player...but may be limited by his physical gifts both athletically and arm wise...I think in the right system, he could be really good in the NFL...but that's not us, I don't believe. Conclusion: Not a fit, do not draft

What about Jordan Love? Still evaluating, will insert him in near future, but I gotta go to work! LOL...

[beachcomber]

1) Burrow * don't think he is gonna be as all world as plenty of folks here make him out to be.... a solid.
2) Jake Fromm * one of the cardinal rules in the draft is not to bust.... this guy is another solid.
3) Eason * think he's coming out a year early and has some risk to him, and.... would put the odds in his favor
4) Anthony Gordon * could be a developmental guy/backup save the day kinda guy, and like his odds as well

5) Jordan Love * would be nice if this guy could pull it off and do think he is a candidate for us round one
6) Jalen Hurs * think he's a competitor/goes to battle for you, just not sure he's gonna get over the hump, and not to mention he is the proverbial running QB, a species that has yet to survive the rigeurs of the League
7) Herbert * checks a lotta boxes, 'cept the one under pressure.... don't think his team is gonna crack the top half of the standings
8) Tua * way to much of an injury risk to even consider (give me Mariota instead

[DerekReed98]

Here is Mine:

1. Burrow (no chance for the chargers)
2. Tua (I'd take him with #6)
3. Herbert (I'd take him with #6, but it's a gamble and I know that... if we could trade down and add a pick, and still get Love or Eason, I'd be fine with it)
4. Jordan Love (this is assuming they would trade down... OR trade back into the late 1st)
5. Jacob Eason (2nd round)
6. Jalen Hurts (3rd round)
7. Jake Fromm (4th round)

I personally don’t like to rank them but instead put them into groups.
G1
Burrow, Tua.
These 2 come with question marks like Burrows one year wonder and obviously Tua has major injury history. But the on field abilities can’t be denied.
G2
Herbert, Eason, Love.
Herbert has a nice combination of size, arm strength and athleticism. I believe Oregon’s scheme actually slowed his development and he should grow considerably when put around a more normal style offense. A Academic All American he’s obviously a smart kid and worth betting on.

Eason May very well have the nicest throwing ability in this draft along with ideal size. He can really sling it. His biggest issues I believe comes from his inexperience as he struggles with pressure and is slow on his reads which can cause him to make some really bad throws. He’s still getting a feel for the game. Which I believe will come with time. Not a very athletic guy either tbh.

Love Has the ideal physical build and arm, but comes with the biggest question marks. Who is he? Some will say he can’t succeed because his latest year was bad where he had to many turnovers. But he lost his top 2 WR, his RB, his entire line and his head coach. Can you really blame him for not being as good as his previous year when he had more turnover then basically every QB ever. Also you can’t just sweep his previous year where he was making plays and SAFE with the football under the rug. He has the tools, but also needs the right situation.

So those are my top QB’s, I would not mind drafting whoever they believe their guy is. Just hope they make sure the one they truly want is the one that gets picked.

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