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Originally posted by Xenos View Post
I forgot who you wanted in that draft. Was it Decastro or one of the other pass rushers?
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Originally posted by Xenos View Post
What would a Charger forum be without a whipping boy. From Jammer to Clary to Ingram now. We may have moved forums but somethings never changed.
also this post was not a dig on the bolts for giving MI the 1st extension, it's more of a "which idiot team will give him his next big contract" post.
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Originally posted by Xenos View Post
What would a Charger forum be without a whipping boy. From Jammer to Clary to Ingram now. We may have moved forums but somethings never changed.
Loved Jammer but his production never peeked above a "solid" corner.
We're looking for the next Derwin, or Joey. Hell even Hayward. If Murray ends up being that kind of player..... We're in for wild ride this year. You call them "whipping" boys. I call them underachievers. Polar opposite of Ekeler
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Originally posted by Xenos View Post
What would a Charger forum be without a whipping boy. From Jammer to Clary to Ingram now. We may have moved forums but somethings never changed.
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Originally posted by Paradoxrip View Post
OMG thank you. Jammer is an excellent example of getting an Elite player contract and playing at an average maybe above average for the length of his contract. Almost identical IMO.
Loved Jammer but his production never peeked above a "solid" corner.
We're looking for the next Derwin, or Joey. Hell even Hayward. If Murray ends up being that kind of player..... We're in for wild ride this year. You call them "whipping" boys. I call them underachievers. Polar opposite of Ekeler
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Originally posted by Xenos View Post
Jammer was awesome. And probably one of the best corners in the league from the last half of 2005 to 2010. He earned every bit of his contract. One of the few guys who can shut down Randy Moss. Not to mention other elite receivers at the time like Marvin Harrison, TO, etc.
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Originally posted by Topcat View Post
Jammer's best years were his middle years. His early years, he got burned a lot because he frequently failed to turn his head to locate the rock. His last few years, he just slowed down too much. He was a solid corner in his middle years, but his career effectiveness looked a lot like a bell-shaped curve...
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Originally posted by Xenos View Post
Jammer was awesome. And probably one of the best corners in the league from the last half of 2005 to 2010. He earned every bit of his contract. One of the few guys who can shut down Randy Moss. Not to mention other elite receivers at the time like Marvin Harrison, TO, etc.
Jammer: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JammQu20.htm
Darrelle Rivis: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...R/ReviDa99.htm
Champ Bailey: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...B/BailCh00.htm
Richard Sherman: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SherRi00.htm
Patrick Peterson: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...P/PetePa00.htm
Nnamdi Asomugha: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...A/AsomNn20.htm
Asante Samuel: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...S/SamuAs20.htm
Charles Woodson: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...W/WoodCh00.htm
LOL even Antonio Cromartie: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...C/CromAn20.htm
Just for kicks....
Chris Harris Jr. https://www.pro-football-reference.c...H/HarrCh01.htm
Casey Hayward: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...H/HaywCa00.htm
I know stats are not the end all be all. However you can glean about where they truly rank with the best. Jammer never graded higher than an 8. All others had multiple years with double digits ranks. He was never one of the best. Again. He was a journeyman. Like I said solid.
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Originally posted by Xenos View Post
You make it sound like a bell curve is a bad thing. Not everyone starts off great. It took him time but he got better like I said starting in the last 10 games of 2005. And almost every athlete has a decline in the latter years of his career ie. Darrell Revis. Corner is one those positions where it depends so much on athletic abilities. There are exceptions like Charles Woodson. But even he played more of a safety corner hybrid role during his twilight years.
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Originally posted by Paradoxrip View Post
Probably one of the best corners in the league? WOW sorry but not even close. Here. Im too lazy to post but I will link some ELITE corners. Compare them to Jammers and tell me again how he's one of the best. I would take Cromartie over Jammer.
Jammer: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JammQu20.htm
Darrelle Rivis: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...R/ReviDa99.htm
Champ Bailey: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...B/BailCh00.htm
Richard Sherman: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SherRi00.htm
Patrick Peterson: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...P/PetePa00.htm
Nnamdi Asomugha: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...A/AsomNn20.htm
Asante Samuel: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...S/SamuAs20.htm
Charles Woodson: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...W/WoodCh00.htm
LOL even Antonio Cromartie: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...C/CromAn20.htm
Just for kicks....
Chris Harris Jr. https://www.pro-football-reference.c...H/HarrCh01.htm
Casey Hayward: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...H/HaywCa00.htm
I know stats are not the end all be all. However you can glean about where they truly rank with the best. Jammer never graded higher than an 8. All others had multiple years with double digits ranks. He was never one of the best. Again. He was a journeyman. Like I said solid.
Edit: also you don't know what a journeyman is. You're not a journeyman if you're the starting CB for one team for the entirety of your career except for the very last one.Last edited by Xenos; 05-20-2020, 07:06 PM.
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