New 2021 Head Coach - Who Will It Be? - Discussion

[Bolt-O]

We don't know about interviews that the Chargers did that aren't current NFL assistants. Harbaugh, Pederson, Lewis, Herm Edwards, Caldwell may have been talked to, we have no idea as the Chargers have been tight lipped, even after interviews with those current assistants.

[Xenos]

That would be considered tampering by the NFL. That would cost us likely a huge fine and draft pick so why bother doing that?

I feel like it was announced really early that Kyle Shanahan was going to be the Niners HC during the Falcons Super Bowl run. Same thing with Josh McDaniels and Matt Patricia during the Patriots 2017 run.

[Xenos]

So we’re going to hire the guy to develop one of the few players on our team who’s pretty well developed. Broke rookienpassinf records, etc. can he develop the whole team? Can he assemble an A+ staff? Seems like a done deal from the outset. Hope this isn’t TT having blinders on about his high school connect. How many productive years has Daboll had? Didn’t hear his name mentioned once before this year as a candidate. Shiny new toy

To be fair, guys like McVay and Kyle Shanahan weren’t hot names until the year they were hired. Andy Benoit was the only one who thought McVay could be a good HC in 2016.

Edit: also the idea is to keep the same offensive scheme for Herbert after this year.

Some other good tidbits in the tweet below:

[Xenos]

I'll be happy with Daboll, I like everything I've read about him. I think he has great potential. The only thing is, the head coach the Bolts just fired was also the Bills' OC when the Bolts hired him. Just seems odd.

Besides what others mentioned already, it helps that Lynn and Daboll also worked under different Bills head coaches.

[jox g]

Feels like we’re falling for the “hot new OC” again. Idk I mean I wish whoever the chargers hire well but Dabol hasn’t exactly been lights out. His stretch of OC jobs from 2007-2012 was abysmal, just really bad. Then demoted to play in New England, the a quick dip into College football as a coordinator to joining the bills and riding Josh allen to some solid finishes.

He seems like a fine pick for OC, but can this guy HC after having more down than up years at OC and then being demoted and leaving the nfl? I hope so I’m just not betting the house on it.

2009: CLEVE; Try coaching Mr. 3 Td's 10 INT QBR 42+ Mr. Derek Anderson. Eric Mangin HC .413 win pct
2010: CLEVE how bout ROOKIE Colt McCoy 6 TD's 9 INTS with Jake Delhoume 2 TD 7 INT Mangini again.
2011: MIA Forever Mr. Backup Matt Moore 16 TD 9 INT (could only manage 12 games) Tony Sparano HC .438 win pct
2012 KC Chiefs Matt Cassel 6 TD 12 INT (9 games) Brady Quin 2 TD 8 INT Romeo Crennel HC .337 win pct

Are any of the above QB's better than JH? A good marriage must have BOTH parties working well together. HC and QB.
How does Daboll do with good QB like Josh Allen and weapons?

Both Bobby Ross had Defense experience and Offensive experience before being HC. Daboll worked 2 years in Defense under Yoda Belicheck too. Hopes up!

[jox g]

Besides what others mentioned already, it helps that Lynn and Daboll also worked under different Bills head coaches.

2009: CLEVE; Try coaching Mr. 3 Td's 10 INT QBR 42+ Mr. Derek Anderson. Eric Mangin HC .413 win pct
2010: CLEVE how bout ROOKIE Colt McCoy 6 TD's 9 INTS with Jake Delhoume 2 TD 7 INT Mangini again.
2011: MIA Forever Mr. Backup Matt Moore 16 TD 9 INT (could only manage 12 games) Tony Sparano HC .438 win pct
2012 KC Chiefs Matt Cassel 6 TD 12 INT (9 games) Brady Quin 2 TD 8 INT Romeo Crennel HC .337 win pct

Are any of the above QB's better than JH? A good marriage must have BOTH parties working well together. HC and QB.
How does Daboll do with good QB like Josh Allen and weapons?

Both Bobby Ross had Defense experience and Offensive experience before being HC. Daboll worked 2 years in Defense under Yoda Belicheck too. Hopes up!
Daboll worked for Saban and Belicheck. Lynn had Rex Ryan and stuff.

[jox g]

If it is Daboll, I certainly hope he 1) brings in STRONG coordinators( DC, OC, Teams), 2) gets a say in who he wants on his staff and his team, and most importantly 3) knows how to manage a damn football game( something our previous group shared not a clue!)
A HC HAS to steer the entire ship, not just the offense.
We've made that mistake for the past, what, 15 years? About time we had a leader out front who understands the full 60 minutes.

Read up on their Buffalo Bills site:
DL (can become DC): Eric Henderson. MORE than ready based on accolades. Bob (not Bobby) Babich is also an option for DC (has 3 yrs NFL experience as one).
Asst DB Bobby Babich can become DB coach.
Asst OL (can become OL coach or OC because he has 9 yrs college OC experience and knows Dabol's system): Heffernan.
We could also KEEP PEP as OC.
Spec Teams Assistant (He is MORE than ready.): Smiley

[Bolt4Knob]

Read up on their Buffalo Bills site:
DL (can become DC): Eric Henderson. MORE than ready based on accolades. Bob (not Bobby) Babich is also an option for DC (has 3 yrs NFL experience as one).
Asst DB Bobby Babich can become DB coach.
Asst OL (can become OL coach or OC because he has 9 yrs college OC experience and knows Dabol's system): Heffernan. We could also KEEP PEP as OC.
Spec Teams Assistant (He is MORE than ready.): Smiley

Will be interesting if Frazier gets the job with the Texans (and if I am the Texans and FRazier gets the job - and Bienemy doesn't - they should see if Bienemy as OC would appeal to Deshaun)- but if both Daboll and Frazier leave - not sure they can take all the coaches from the Bills and leave McDermott having to rebuild a staff

So might just be one or two that Daboll can take

[jox g]

If it is Daboll, I certainly hope he 1) brings in STRONG coordinators( DC, OC, Teams), 2) gets a say in who he wants on his staff and his team, and most importantly 3) knows how to manage a damn football game( something our previous group shared not a clue!)
A HC HAS to steer the entire ship, not just the offense.
We've made that mistake for the past, what, 15 years? About time we had a leader out front who understands the full 60 minutes.

Read up on their Buffalo Bills site:
DL (can become DC): Eric Henderson. MORE than ready based on accolades. Bob (not Bobby) Babich is also an option for DC (has 3 yrs NFL experience as one).
Asst DB Bobby Babich can become DB coach.
Asst OL (can become OL coach or OC because he has 9 yrs college OC experience and knows Dabol's system): Heffernan.
We could also KEEP PEP as OC.
Spec Teams Assistant (He is MORE than ready.): Smiley

Re: leadership - He learned under McDermott, Yoda Belicheck and Nick Saban in addition HOPEFULLY learning what NOT to do with under these guys: Crennel, Mangini, Sparano. 3 winners 3 losers.

Mentors to Lynn: Learned under Shanahan (.552 win pct), Del Rio (.497), Rex Ryan, (.480 win pct), Romeo Crennel (.337 win pct), Parcels 9-7 in 2005, 9-7 in 2006). .569 win pct lifetime. Parcels was on his LAST LEG 18th and 19th year of coaching before retiring. Lynn had a great opportunity to learn from 2 winners and 3 losers.
= .487
Mentors to Mike McCoy and his Mentors win pct = .440
Brandon Staley's tree (Fangio, Fox, Nagy McVay,) = .480
Efferblus = .485
Brandon Staley's tree (Fangio, Fox, Nagy McVay,) = .480
Efferblus = .485
Mentors to: Daboll: Sparano .438, Mangini (Jets and Browns) .413 Crennel .337 McDermott .594, Saban .797 (college) .469 Pros, Yoda Belicheck .673 = .532
Jason Garret = .559 (with meddling owner and meddling GM - same thing...). Spanoses don't meddle
Bobby Ross = .552 college before Chargers = .540 in pros
Coryell = .840 percent in college = .572 in pros
Gilman = .81 pct in college = .543 in pros

HMMMM....URBAN MEYER...oops too late. FWIW = .853 percent in college. Pros = TBD

These numbers DO NOT guarantee success especially when it comes to OTHER teams because while Andy Reid's disciples (Pederson and Nagy have done well, Belicheck's Mangini, Crennel, Patricia have not.)

With the Chargers, they have DONE well hiring WINNING college coaches (Coryell, Gillman, Ross)...HMMMM
Have also done well hiring former HC's
*Marty before Chargers = .585. With Chargers = .588 HMMMMM.
*Norv before Chargers = .367. With Chargers = .583

Looks like TT and Dean are FINALLY barking up the RIGHT tree. No left trees please.. Yes, that's a jab.
With exception of Norv Turner, the numbers, didn't lie. Turner did have MORE talent with San Diego than Oak, Washington. Daboll, or Garret will have similar talent as 2020 Buf team.
Do you notice a pattern?
Will submit to TT and Dean.

[Xenos]

I still wonder why the lack of interest in Harbaugh. Was it cost? Was it the fact that he might grate on people and only have a 4-5 year window. That dude can coach - has proved it.

I suggested Caldwell because of the experience as head coach. The once hired/once fired list of coaches: Pagano, Bowles, McDaniels, Schwartz, Dennis Allen -- hmm - two of them retired, Josh with the thing in Indy. There certainly wasn't an "Andy Reid" or "Marty S" out there waiting to be hired.

There was lack of interest in Harbaugh probably because he was never going to leave Michigan. And from what I’ve been hearing, he has some of the issues that Lynn had which is his old school mentality. He’s behind the times unfortunately.

[ghost]

So we’re going to hire the guy to develop one of the few players on our team who’s pretty well developed. Broke rookienpassinf records, etc. can he develop the whole team? Can he assemble an A+ staff? Seems like a done deal from the outset. Hope this isn’t TT having blinders on about his high school connect. How many productive years has Daboll had? Didn’t hear his name mentioned once before this year as a candidate. Shiny new toy

Bills-Ravens is going be interesting. Like Mahomes, Both QBs have a tendency to get hotter in the second half. I still expect the Bills to pull away in the 3rd Quarter, as the Bills 4WRs are better than anybody's nickle or dime package you care to throw at them. Bills' WRs have sight-adjusted routes in zone coverage, which Daboll's offense, reads and eats for lunch.

[sonorajim]

So we’re going to hire the guy to develop one of the few players on our team who’s pretty well developed. Broke rookienpassinf records, etc. can he develop the whole team? Can he assemble an A+ staff? Seems like a done deal from the outset. Hope this isn’t TT having blinders on about his high school connect. How many productive years has Daboll had? Didn’t hear his name mentioned once before this year as a candidate. Shiny new toy

Daboll appears to have gotten better as a coach over time, working with different responsibilities. He's a legit candidate.
Currently Daboll, Bienemy, Staley are in play. When they're available for a serious interview, I want to hear about their vision for LAC. Staff, players, FA, draft. The guy I want has been doing his homework on LAC since it became apparent that Lynn would be released.