Coach Staley Discussion - Fired

[powderblueboy]

Prisoner of the moment. Giants have won all the close games and the math says they will regress and drop games playing so many close games. They also have in all those close wins, just 2 wins against winning teams. Let's see how the next 10 games go and his next year or two go before we do the told you so about Daboll. He has plenty of time to write his resume. If you want to king him, king him. But he may turn out to be what I think he is. A JAG HC if he doesn't have Allen at QB. Danny Dimes will turn into a pumpkin soon. It will always be a QB driven league. It why Belicheat has zero playoff wins without TB. And is currently in last place in his division and won't ever win a SB without Brady.

Watch out for Burrow, that kid is the real deal.
I'd bet on him going back to the Superbowl. If not Joe, then Mahomes or Allen will be in the Superbowl. I'm not sure Herbert is quite there yet. I put him 4th behind those guys.
All the great young QBs are in the AFC. Jackson and Watson too. Can Herbert get it done vs all these guys. Even adding Payton as HC...this looks like a tough mountain for Herbert to climb to the top. These are some baller QBs he is trying to beat win the AFC and go to the SB.

A top OC (over what looks like a two time flop) makes a world of difference. Remember Dan Fouts?

[powderblueboy]

Have you seen Lynn and Mccoy when they were the HC? Now these were guys who didn't know what they were doing.

Mccoy did a good job his first two years.

They lost mathews/woodhead, were down to their 5th starting center, and Rivers played with the ruptured back disc, and still they were in playoff contention week #17

[richpjr]

Oddly if Chargers don't throw a pick 6 at the goal line vs KC, and instead cash in there, then they are 5-2 and KC is 4-3. As bad as is been they are a single play away from being in the driver's seat in the AFC West.

QB driven league...... this team will go as far as Justin takes them. He isn't playing his best football. And some of that is probably due to Allen being out and OL injury and his ribs. He has also not converted on some easy throws. And he also isn't getting great targets from some of his teammates at times. Chemistry between him and Palmer has been off.

Under Staley they went OL Rd1 two years in a row and add solid veteran OL. They have been more right than wrong on reworking this OL and doing it rather quickly under this young HC.

And the special teams has been better and more consistent than previous HC had them playing.

I don't think some other coach like a Payton has them any better than 5-2 any way. It's hard to go 7-0.

Payton career started with 8-8, 8-8, 3-13. You fans would have been screaming fire him for those 3 years. He also went 7-9, 7-9, 7-9 from 2014-2016. Again you would have screamed for his firing then. But now the grass is greener and you want Sean on your sideline. It's been 13 years since he won that SB.

Payton's record in his first 3 years was 10-6, 7-9, 8-8. And. yes, I'm sure people would have been calling for his head at the end of his 3rd year here. Payton does have a ring and did have a lot of good years with NO, but his teams also did an awful lot of "Chargering" during the playoffs. Of course, being in the playoffs is better than not.

We'll see how things play out. Some coaches take a while to get it down. Bill Belichick's record in his first 3 seasons as a coach with the Browns was 7-9, 6-10 and 6-10. Imagine the commentary here with that record...

[wu-dai clan]

I agree with Critty and richpjr.

And we are currently knocking on the door of the playoffs. haha. It's true.

[Boltjolt]

Payton's record in his first 3 years was 10-6, 7-9, 8-8. And. yes, I'm sure people would have been calling for his head at the end of his 3rd year here. Payton does have a ring and did have a lot of good years with NO, but his teams also did an awful lot of "Chargering" during the playoffs. Of course, being in the playoffs is better than not.

We'll see how things play out. Some coaches take a while to get it down. Bill Belichick's record in his first 3 seasons as a coach with the Browns was 7-9, 6-10 and 6-10. Imagine the commentary here with that record...

100% correct. That's how this forum rolls. Hec probably after year 2 going 7-9.

[Maniaque 6]

We lost against the worst rushing defense.
Here's come the worst passing defense in two weeks.

[wu-dai clan]

I expect Staley to be given a third year.

Our injuries will be mentioned.

We should flame now but hang in there for 2022. JMO.

[Critty]

Id love to have Payton but these owners are cheap MFs when it comes to hiring GMs and HCs. Even if they fire TT and Staley, expect two more cheap hires. I don't expect them to even call Payton unless it is to ask if he will take 5 mil a year. When Payton hangs up, that's it.

The Spanos want to be involved in the team building, so they won't hire a CEO type coach who tells them to exit the decision room and let the football people you hired do their job. They had a CEO type coach who told them No once, and he was fired. Wins were not even a consideration for the Spanos. It's their team and they will do it their way. Get back in your box HC. Im hopeful Staley can manage up and get them to make the decisions he wants. But if he is already being a yes man. The locker room knows it. If all they hire are yes men HCs wouldn't they all lose the locker room because the players know they HC brown noses the owners. Setting up their coaches for defeat by undermining their ability to lead the team because players don't respect the yes man HC.

[Charge!]

The Spanos want to be involved in the team building, so they won't hire a CEO type coach who tells them to exit the decision room and let the football people you hired do their job. They had a CEO type coach who told them No once, and he was fired. Wins were not even a consideration for the Spanos. It's their team and they will do it their way. Get back in your box HC. Im hopeful Staley can manage up and get them to make the decisions he wants. But if he is already being a yes man. The locker room knows it. If all they hire are yes men HCs wouldn't they all lose the locker room because the players know they HC brown noses the owners. Setting up their coaches for defeat by undermining their ability to lead the team because players don't respect the yes man HC.

agree..... Spanos would never hire a bellycheat, tomlin, ...etc...... look how good steelers play even with tons of injuries...... they play tough football no matter what......

we need a bobby ross type of coach..... tough in all phases......

[CanadianBoltFan]

Payton's record in his first 3 years was 10-6, 7-9, 8-8. And. yes, I'm sure people would have been calling for his head at the end of his 3rd year here. Payton does have a ring and did have a lot of good years with NO, but his teams also did an awful lot of "Chargering" during the playoffs. Of course, being in the playoffs is better than not.

We'll see how things play out. Some coaches take a while to get it down. Bill Belichick's record in his first 3 seasons as a coach with the Browns was 7-9, 6-10 and 6-10. Imagine the commentary here with that record...

One side point beyond win loss records , though i know that is the bottom line. BTW how many long time Charger fans would take ONE Super Bowl?

Perhaps Peyton inspires some confidence because he came as advertised. He was an offensive guru that walked the walk. He installed a complex and very productive offense that set passing records.

Staley came advertised as a defensive guru but his defense has basically sucked since he got here. Cant even handle the basics, stopping the run. I think that is where he is losing credibility and also his game management.

[Boltjolt]

The Spanos want to be involved in the team building, so they won't hire a CEO type coach who tells them to exit the decision room and let the football people you hired do their job. They had a CEO type coach who told them No once, and he was fired. Wins were not even a consideration for the Spanos. It's their team and they will do it their way. Get back in your box HC. Im hopeful Staley can manage up and get them to make the decisions he wants. But if he is already being a yes man. The locker room knows it. If all they hire are yes men HCs wouldn't they all lose the locker room because the players know they HC brown noses the owners. Setting up their coaches for defeat by undermining their ability to lead the team because players don't respect the yes man HC.

Thus let's just stop the Payton talk..

[ghost]

When this season concludes, I shall want Coach Staley sat down and told his choice at DC isn't cutting it. A veteran like Vic Fangio or even a Wade Phillips is going to be brought in as defensive coordinator to bring a life and personality and force of will to that defense, which it presently lacks, week-in, week-out. When consistency is brought to the defense, the team wins will become self-evident.