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  • Saw recently that the chargers offence is top ten in just about all offensive metrics. The only way Lombardi goes is if he gets a head coaching gig...
    Go Rivers!

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    • Originally posted by Stinky Wizzleteats+ View Post
      Saw recently that the chargers offence is top ten in just about all offensive metrics. The only way Lombardi goes is if he gets a head coaching gig...
      So he will be here forever.

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      • Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post

        So he will be here forever.
        Why would we want to give up the only Lombardi we have in our history, he should be standing in display case in Dean's office. Joe just needs another season with Herb but if he is up and down half way thru next season I'd can him.

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        • Well, it looks like Lombardi finally got the memo. The deep passing game succeeded at a high rate and helped the offense be much more explosive. Guyton clearly established himself as the #3 WR today. He was wide open all over the place and proved to be better on a tougher deep pass than Palmer was.

          We could have been using Guyton to make plays like he did today all season long.

          And we called an actual RB screen that worked well. If we continue with the deep passing game, the RB screen is going to be there for us a lot.

          Honestly, our results could have easily been even better in the deep passing game had Parham and Palmer not both blown plays they should have made.

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          • Originally posted by chaincrusher View Post
            Well, it looks like Lombardi finally got the memo. The deep passing game succeeded at a high rate and helped the offense be much more .
            Feiler was out last week. Herbert has no time to go deep with Kelemete in there along with the Swiss cheese on the right side.

            If we need a backup guard again this season it needs to be someone besides Kelemete, IMO.

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            • Originally posted by Riverwalk View Post

              Feiler was out last week. Herbert has no time to go deep with Kelemete in there along with the Swiss cheese on the right side.

              If we need a backup guard again this season it needs to be someone besides Kelemete, IMO.
              Truth. Some of the same play calls last week didn't work as there was no time to throw it deep.
              J.T. 'HBK' Woods #22

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              • Originally posted by chaincrusher View Post
                Well, it looks like Lombardi finally got the memo. The deep passing game succeeded at a high rate and helped the offense be much more explosive. Guyton clearly established himself as the #3 WR today. He was wide open all over the place and proved to be better on a tougher deep pass than Palmer was.

                We could have been using Guyton to make plays like he did today all season long.

                And we called an actual RB screen that worked well. If we continue with the deep passing game, the RB screen is going to be there for us a lot.

                Honestly, our results could have easily been even better in the deep passing game had Parham and Palmer not both blown plays they should have made.
                Crusher, I'll agree with u on this, with the exception of the Donk game, when Kelemete was in for Feiler, resulting in a lot more pressures on Herbie...

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                • Originally posted by Riverwalk View Post

                  Feiler was out last week. Herbert has no time to go deep with Kelemete in there along with the Swiss cheese on the right side.

                  If we need a backup guard again this season it needs to be someone besides Kelemete, IMO.
                  Our OL was Swiss cheese last year and yet we threw deep successfully frequently. This OL issue that some have been raising over the course of the season is complete BS IMO. On pass patterns when we have sent someone long, that player has almost never been the primary target. Several of our longer plays have come when Herbert has extended plays and thrown late.

                  This week represented a clear shift in focus and Herbert once again proved that he is strong is the deep passing game as is Guyton.

                  Today's game plan was by far the best one Lombardi has used this season.

                  The frustrating part to me is that we could have been doing what we did today all season long.

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                  • Originally posted by Topcat View Post

                    Crusher, I'll agree with u on this, with the exception of the Donk game, when Kelemete was in for Feiler, resulting in a lot more pressures on Herbie...
                    As I have stated to others, I do not agree with the raising of Kelemete as an issue. Our entire OL was awful last year except for Norton, who was mediocre, and we were able to throw deep regularly with great success.

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                    • Originally posted by Topcat View Post

                      Crusher, I'll agree with u on this, with the exception of the Donk game, when Kelemete was in for Feiler, resulting in a lot more pressures on Herbie...
                      When Guyton did get targets he dropped the ball. He looked good today though. Just got the feeling he isnt a trusted target for Herbert. The OL will always be key to scoring points. Tjere was times in the 2nd half when the OL wasnt doing well and Herbert didnt have time to throw so we couldnt throw deep.

                      One play we should scrap is the WR screen.

                      Offense scored 34 points today which will up the average.
                      22. Kenyan Green, OG/ Texas A&M (T↓ fr GB for 17)
                      79. Bryan Cook, S/ Cincinnati
                      92. Zamir White RB/ Georgia (fr GB for 17)
                      123. Jalyn Armour- Davis, CB / Alabama
                      160. Tyreek Smith,Edge/ Ohio st
                      180. Bo Melton,WR/ Rutgers (T↑ fr Jax for 195, 214)
                      234. Marquan McCall,DT/Kentucky
                      254. Jake Camarda P Georgia
                      255. James Empey, OC BYU
                      260. Darian Butler, LB/ Arizona st

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                      • This link is a good breakdown of what opponents have been doing to slow down Herbert and force him to throw underneath.

                        And we also know that if the protection doesn't hold up, then there's no time to make thee deeper throw.

                        And then of course the opponent is playing a coverage designed to take away the deep pass.

                        The OC poor play calling argument is vastly overstated and also undermined by a cherry picked stats about air yards in an offensive system that looks at the short horizontal passing game as an extension of the run game. So within a system that uses short passes as part of run game, those plays being included in the stat will obviously lower the overall air yards, making the air yards stat insignificant at best and irrelevant at worst.

                        Cover 2 is a two-deep, five-under zone defense run out of both base and sub-package personnel (dime, nickel).


                        By rushing four, and dropping seven into coverage (with eyes on the quarterback), the defense can take away vertical concepts while forcing the ball underneath to the flat or check-down option.

                        Chargers blocked it well enough on a few plays to get some of those deep shot off vs Bengals. Some of those exact same play calls last week didn't work as the protection broke down.
                        We take a look at the film to examine the ups-and-downs of the Chargers passing offense.
                        J.T. 'HBK' Woods #22

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                        • I'm surprised that no one is talking about Justin Jackson. When healthy he's definitely a good running back and we need someone like that more consistently. Made a huge difference in our running game today.
                          Super bowl Bound 2023. Yeah Baby!

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