2022 Official Chargers Season Discussion

[Boltnut]

[QUOTE=Boltjolt;n1321813]

Agree, id like to keep all three but i just dont think Nwosu and White will get as much as your projection but we'll see. Nwosu has only been a starter for 1 season, idk. We cant blow up the roster its just fan speak of being disapointed. Our run defense being bad isnt a result of these guys. When Jones was in there the run defense was better.

White had 144 tackles and Nwosu was coming on getting settled in to this defense. I dont think with him we dont need another edge rusher. We do as Fackrell probably isnt back and we need a rotation and more production.[/QUOTE]

I'm just trying to come up with approximate valuations. These aren't my valuations. I'm using a combination of OTC, PFF, and Spotrac. Sometimes, there is a wide variation between sources.

As the NT's and DT's are upgraded, the effect will be felt by the LB's. Jones is good fit. SJD is another good fit. Rotational depth can be attained in the draft... and I don't believe they have to be early round selections.

Like you, I believe another EDGE will have to be drafted (even if Nwosu is retained). I'd like us to find a pass-rush specialist. A guy that can rotate in for Nwosu during situations when you need a better pass-rusher. I also believe that Okoronkwo is a FA that won't cost a lot... but will be an upgrade over Fackrell and Egbule.

[Boltnut]

Good post Nut.
You are on track IMHO.
I do project Rumph II to come on.
The 33rd Team gives Chris a high Athletic Intelligence Quotient (AIC) grade.
Diagnosis is a plus here.

:coffee:

Yes. I liked the Rumph pick. I watched a lot of tape on him. I don't think the Chargers have utilized all of his skills, yet. He is the most versatile OLB we have. As he gets more playing time, people will see.

[Boltjolt]

You almost make it seem like the Charger defense was competent last year.
Jones played lights out, White was a maniac racing from sideline to sideline to destroy ball carriers;
and yet they had problems against the run......don't blame the inside linebacker who played the most snaps?

Whether you resign them or not, you are going to have 'holes';
Don't resign them, and you'll have more money to fill holes....it comes out pretty much the same.

The issue of course is who is the best fit for Staley's D....so much for fitting scheme around players.

My point was not to not resign them....it was to resign them if you think they'll improve within the D.
If they've reached their level, consider others. Nothing dramatic in that statement.

The point is to keep those that excelled in the defense. White and Jones did that. Nwosu took time but seems to be coming on well in it. Don't think he is worth 9 mil a year though and not sure that's what they will offer but they like him.

If we could woo SJD away from the Rams, that would help a lot. Murray just being mediocre would help. Drafting Lloyd would really help. A better pass rusher than Fackrell would help. An upgrade at CB would help.

[Boltnut]

I love all these points Boltnut! But I do wonder about Staley’s feelings towards White given the snaps he gave to Murray instead in the last game.

I think statistically it’s been shown that there’s less value in FA than signing your own. It doesn’t mean that it can’t happen but it’s extra hard to get the right value because there’s a reason a lot of those guys are available. Look at our FA luck over the years and see how successful we were versus our failures.

I could be wrong here but... I think Murray was in there vs the Raiders because 1) They wanted to see what they had in Murray. Remember that Murray got dinged up mid-season. 2) They believed that Murray matched up better against the Raiders (heavy run) than White. Should they re-sign White, I think you will see certain teams/situations that White and Murray are a good pairing... and other teams/situations where Murray/Tranquil are a good pairing. In the end, if the NT's and DT's can keep the LB's clean... you'll get much better production out of White/Murray/Tranquil. Right now, that ILB group is a little thin... which is why they keep White. Even then, then should draft another ILB later in the draft for depth.

Once your own FA's hit the open market, you open yourself to a bidding war. Often, you'll get outbid (only takes one team) and lose your guy (creating a hole in your roster). Teams/agents/players generally know what a player is worth. Offer fair value. If you over-pay by a million... at least you have a strong roster before entering the draft. And you're right, the players that hit the open market generally were either 1) Not as talented as everyone thinks, or 2) Want more than they're worth.

IMO, there are certain positions (IOL,IDL) you can find value during the open market period... and certain positions (WR/CB/EDGE/OT) you will over-pay for.

It makes no sense to skimp $1 million on your own... only to over-pay by $2 million on the open market.

[Boltnut]

You almost make it seem like the Charger defense was competent last year.
Jones played lights out, White was a maniac racing from sideline to sideline to destroy ball carriers;
and yet they had problems against the run......don't blame the inside linebacker who played the most snaps?

Whether you resign them or not, you are going to have 'holes';
Don't resign them, and you'll have more money to fill holes....it comes out pretty much the same.

The issue of course is who is the best fit for Staley's D....so much for fitting scheme around players.

My point was not to not resign them....it was to resign them if you think they'll improve within the D.
If they've reached their level, consider others. Nothing dramatic in that statement.

I think their pass defense was very good before injury plagued them. I think their secondary was very thin (Campbell/Hall/Harris/R.Smith). I would replace Chris Harris Jr. with an elite/versatile draft pick. I'd also use a mid-round/late round pick on another CB to bolster my depth. And while we're at it, I'd draft a mid-round safety for depth (to allow James to play dime-backer). Staley builds from the back.

And I don't blame the LB's for the run defense. The NT's/DT's were primarily to blame... along with the depth along the DL. A starting NT should be found via FA. And then you draft a NT and a DT for depth. I'd say that SJD is a good bet to fit Staley's D. Start there. There is nothing dramatic in that statement... it's not like I'm claiming that I've identified the next Aaron Donald or JJ Watt. That would be dramatic...

[Boltnut]

Re: signing our own defensive guys, I have no strong opinions.
I am comfortable trusting the process and have faith Staley is able to identify and work with Telesco to either resign or bring in the right guys. The goal is to simply to continue developing the defense.
my point is only that I don't care who it is and won't be upset if they let anyone walk.
More of a trust in Staley than a knock on our guys.

WTS we need a FA CB and I don't think many would disagree.
can't count on what we have even with an ascending Samuel.

I trust Staley, too. I base my assumptions on only the things I've heard Staley say about Nwosu, White, and Jones.

I don't think we have to have a FA CB. The really good ones will be retained by their clubs IMO. The ones that hit the free-market will be flawed in one way or another, or... will incur a bidding war and most likely get over-paid.

I'd love to get an elite CB in the first round... and have a 5th year option available.

[Velo]

You almost make it seem like the Charger defense was competent last year.

It was the run defense that was bad. The pass defense, based on yards per game, was pretty decent, finishing in a cluster of 4-5 other teams for about 10th best in the league.

[equivocation]

The run defense was significantly better when Jones played.

[dmac_bolt]

There...fixed it for 'ya!

Agree, think we need serious upgrade at 4 for those 6 as a min …

[dmac_bolt]

It was the run defense that was bad. The pass defense, based on yards per game, was pretty decent, finishing in a cluster of 4-5 other teams for about 10th best in the league.

Meh. I think bad rush defense obscured mediocre pass defense. KC and Oak games at end of year were both lost at the end in the secondary. We need better CBs and more pressure on the QB.

[Velo]

Meh. I think bad rush defense obscured mediocre pass defense. KC and Oak games at end of year were both lost at the end in the secondary. We need better CBs and more pressure on the QB.

The Chargers' pass defense, in yds allowed per game, was considerably better than that of the Rams or Bengals. So just as it was in 2021, it was more than good enough to get into the Super Bowl.

[beachcomber]

anybody got a list of FAs they like ??

https://nfltraderumors.co/2022-nfl-free-agents/#:~:text=2022%20NFL%20Free%20Agents%20List%20%20%2 0Player,%20%2036%20%2032%20more%20rows%20

QB Chase Daniel (Easton Stick) $2.5m/yr * would consider a better option, but not sure there is atm

RB Ronald Jones (Justin Jackson) $5m/yr * mandatory day one priority, as we cannot go into the season w/Ek as our No. 1 RB
RB D'ernest Johnson (Rountree) $3.5m/yr * could be tricky w/a tender, but well worth whatever effort is required to suss things out/make an offer
RB Cordarelle Patterson (Gabe Nabers) $3.5m/yr * not a priority, but well worth an inquiry to see if he is available/interested in LA

WR Cedrick Wilson Jr. (Guyton) $6m/yr * gonna upgrade my WR 3/4
WR JuJu Schuster(MW) $6m/yr * this guy would spell MW at a third of the cost
WR Braxton Berrios (Andre Roberts) $3m/yr * useful receiver and not just a STer

TE Mike Gesicki (Jared Cook) $8m/yr * would really be a plus for JH10, and however unlikely the sentiment might be
TE OJ Howard (Stephen Anderson) $2.5m/yr * we need a receiving TE to hedge our Parham situation, and for any McKitty pass catching ?s

RT Morgan Moses (Bulaga) $10m/yr * not gonna happen, gonna move Matt over to RT, and save my monies by paying out for IOL in FA, and get another in the draft

OG Oday Aboushi (Kelemete) $3m/yr * good value, given that he doesn't get injured again, and for which am def looking OG hedge/development in the draft
OG Michael Schofield (Feiler) $2m/yr * gotta invite this guy back to camp, as he again is good value for a solid, dependable backup

OC Scott Quessenberry $2m/yr * not my first choice and on the lookout for a FA or draft pick here

NT Danny Shelton (Linval) $3m/yr * no whining, as you complain that NT plays only about 30 percent of the snaps, and we know what we're getting w/a vet like Shelton

DT BJ Hill (Gaziano) $8m/yr * this is a must get, and gives us a solid opposite the pairing of Justin 'n Jerry
DT Justin Jones $6m/yr * will gladly bring him back as a six million dollar man

ED Dorance Armstrong (Fackrell) $3.5m/yr * want @least one FA edge, as will be looking to replace Nwosu @17, unless we surprise and go WR there

SS Keanu Neal (Trey Marshall) $3m/yr * think one of the best sentiments here is to get Derwin in @dimebacker more often, and this guy helps w/that

CB Levi Wallace (Ryan Smith) $6m/yr * this guy is not my slot corner, he's my hedge against ASJ concussions, and any Mike D. backslidin'

K Younghoe Koo (Hopkins) $4m/yr * guessin' Hopkins will get the nod, but wouldn't mind this guy for a return visit

my suspicion is that the both of Uchenna and Kyzir will price themselves out of a value FA resigning, and that we will look to the draft for replacements ??

and personal opinion that it is double cockamamie w/the monies that alotta of peoples here are assigning for various FAs, as don't think the any of 'em/ours are really worth more than $6m/yr, albeit they might get more than that, which would be reason for us to move on/send them on their way, and the other cockamamie is MW tag monies.... that money is just so much better spent on roster depth.

priority one for myself in FA is an RB. after that we obviously are looking for IDL. also really want to add receiving threats @TE & WR. would also think it wise to nab a CB in FA as well.

those are my six. anything after that is gravy/filler, and.... in the draft looking to fill'er up @WR, OG, TE, CB, ED, NT, P, S, RB, DT