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  • Boltjolt
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    Originally posted by Boltnut View Post
    Using Spotrac's Salary Cap Manager...

    Resigned numerous Chargers' FA's. Jones = $5 million White = $5 million Nwosu = $6 million
    Aboushi, Daniel, Quessenberry, Jackson, Overton, Covington, Anderson, Guyton, Long, Hopkins, Schofield, Parham, Hall.

    FA's. Davante Adams = $25 million Sebastian Joseph-Day = $5 million

    Still $20 million under the cap. $10 million to sign rookies, $10 million reserve

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/ro...chargers/2022/ (Here's the tool if you want to try it yourself)
    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/ro...8358ff4cbf2cc/ (here's my roster sans draft picks)
    The Raiders will probably also be in play for Adams. He and Carr are ex college team mates, are also friends and with Ruggs done they will be looking for a WR just a matter if they have the money to pursue him.
    Last edited by Boltjolt; 12-22-2021, 11:37 AM.

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    • Boltjolt
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      Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post
      2022 CHARGERS ROSTER PLAN

      TEAM IMPROVEMENT GOALS

      1A. Protect JH10
      1. Create deep competition for starter, roster, and practice squad spots.
      2. Retain high performing, ascending home developed talent.
      3. Target and acquire specific UFA for physicality, culture, IQ, playmaking, and competition.
      4. Improve our physicality and ability to win 1v1 at the LOS.
      5. Get faster physically and mentally.
      • KEY - ERFA / RFA - All ERFA/RFA Will Be Resigned
      • *DONALD PARHAM (TE), JALEN GUYTON (WR), JASON MOORE (WR)
      • ^JOE GAZIANO (IDL), ^BRENDEN FEHOKO (IDL), STORM NORTON (OT)
      • ~TRISTAN VISCAINO (PK)
      • Early clusters by round(s) that I’m projecting as scheme, team, organization fits that are currently graded as round specific prospects based on my rating system’s previous results.
      • I will add to/adjust clusters each quarter of the season.
      • Prospects may rise/fall as more film is watched.
      • Prospect evaluations will not be complete until game film is dissected, history is researched, and bowl games, all-star games, combine, pro days are complete. I try to use all information available before completing prospect evals.
      • This is their current round(s) grade.

      CURRENT VQ3 PROJECTED 2022 OFFSEASON / FA RECAP

      - KEY - IN-HOUSE RETENTIONS / EXTENTIONS
      - TARGETED UFA2022 MOCK DRAFT - VQ3

      1] DAXTON HILL (DB/DW) UMI (B1G) - JR - 6’ / 192#

      2] PERRION WINFREY (IDL) OU (BG12) - SR - 6’4’’ / 305# - SENIOR BOWL

      3A] € - MICHAEL CLEMONS (EDGE) TAMU (SEC) - RSR - 6’5’’ / 270# - SENIOR BOWL

      3B] JEROME FORD (RB/OW) UC/UAL (AAC/SEC) - RJR - 5’11’’ / 220#

      4] JOHN RIDGEWAY (NT/IDL) UAR/ILST (SEC/FCS) - RSR - 6’5” / 325# - SENIOR BOWL

      5] ZYON MCCOLLUM (DB) SHSU (FCS) - RSR - 6’4” / 200# - SENIOR BOWL

      6B] AMARE BARNO (EDGE) VT (ACC) - RSR - 6’6’’ / 245# - SENIOR BOWL

      7A] VEDERIAN LOWE (OT) UIL (B1G)- RSR - 6’6’’ / 320# - EAST/WEST

      7B] JALEN VIRGIL (WR/RS) APST (SBC) - RSR - 6’1’’ / 210#

      7C] LUCAS KRULL (TE) PITT/UFL (ACC/SEC) - RSR - 6’6’’ / 260# - EAST/WEST

      7D] PUNTER - TBD



      €-traded J. TILLERY, T. PIPKINS, J. KELLEY, pick 6A = pick 3A

      PROJECTED 53 MAN ROSTER

      OFFENSE (25) -

      QB = J. HERBERT, E. STICK

      RB = A. EKELER, R. PENNY, J. FORD (R)

      HB/FB = S. ANDERSON

      WR = K. ALLEN, M. WILLIAMS, J. PALMER, J. GUYTON, M. SCANTLING, J. VIRGIL (R)

      TE = OJ HOWARD, T. MCKITTY, L. KRULL (R), DONALD PARHAM

      OL = R. SLATER, M. FEILER, C. LINSLEY, O. ABOUSHI, C. ROBINSON

      B. JAIMES, S. QUESSENBERRY, S. NORTON, V. LOWE (R)




      DEFENSE (25) -

      DL = J. JONES, L. JOSEPH, BJ HILL, P. WINFREY (R), J. RIDGEWAY (R)

      EDGE = J. BOSA, U. NWOSU, M. CLEMONS (R), C. RUMPH II, A. BARNO (R)

      ILB = K. WHITE, D. TRANQUILL, K. MURRAY, N. NIEMANN, A. OBONGBEMIGA

      CB = A. SAMUEL, M. DAVIS, D. HILL (R), M. HUGHES, Z. MCCOLLUM (R), T. CAMPBELL

      DS = D. JAMES, N. ADDERLEY, D. CRUIKSHANK, A. GILMAN




      SPECIALISTS (3) / RETURNERS

      PK = D. HOPKINS

      PT = TBD

      LS = TBD

      KR = J. VIRGIL (R)

      PR = M. HUGHES




      KEY PRACTICE SQUAD PLAYERS

      -JOE GAZIANO (IDL), BREIDEN FEHOKO (NT/IDL), FORREST MERRILL (NT/IDL),

      TREY MARSHALL (DS/STA), MARK WEBB (DB), KEMON HALL (DB),

      COLE CHRISTIANSEN (ILB), JOE REED (WR/RS/RB), JASON MOORE (WR),

      GABE NABORS (FB), LARRY ROUNTREE (RB), EMEKE EGBULE (EDGE),

      MICHAEL SCHOFIELD (OL), RYAN HUNTER (OL)
      Whoa...lots of work there and nice job as well. Lot of thought into.

      A few thoughts......... I think its overpay for Uchenna and Kyzir. IDK just seems high to me for those guys. Seems very high for Uchenna for what he has done in 4 years and no way id sign Rashad Penny. He has been hurt his entire NFL tenure. Ive no faith he will even play half a season for us though that is cheap for him. Need a more reliable RB like Ronald Jones, Conner although you did draft Ford. Other than that, nice work.

      And how did we get 2 third rounders?
      Last edited by Boltjolt; 12-22-2021, 11:59 AM.

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      • Bolt4Knob
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        Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

        I think you're overpaying those guys.
        If Uchenna asks for $11.5 million/year, I'm re-signing Fackrell and drafting an EDGE.
        If Kyzir is asking $8 million/year, I'm finding a cheaper FA and drafting LB in the 3rd/4th
        I might pay Justin Jones $6 million/year... I might just find a cheaper FA and draft an IDL in the 4th/5th.

        Have you tried the Spotrac Cap Managing tool? I don't think you could fit that under the cap.
        Kyzir White is going to get 8-10m on the market and he should - he is a good football player. He reallyis
        Justin Jones, that makes sense
        Uchenna - not sure he will get 11.5m like NInja notes but he is better than FAckrell

        Here is the thing - yes players can be cheaper but are they better. And drafting for depth is good but maybe not always the best. You said, sign Fackrell and draft. Well Fackrell was decent depth but he is not Nwosu and drafting for need, not always the best as the board may not line up how you want

        The Chargers are in a prime position with their cap space and key players in place (Herbert, Linsley, Ekeler, Slater, Feiler, James, Bosa, Samuel, Mike Davis - you bring back the three guys on defense) - so they do not need to go cheap.

        I think Ninja did a solid job - very well thought out. He and I disagree about Mike Williams - I am letting him test the market to see what the market thinks) - but overall it was solid

        And like Ninja said, Player AAV <> Player cap hit.

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        • like54ninjas
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          Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

          Whoa...lots of work there and nice job as well. Lot of thought into.

          A few thoughts......... I think its overpay for Uchenna and Kyzir. IDK just seems high to me for those guys. Seems very high for Uchenna for what he has done in 4 years and no way id sign Rashad Penny. He has been hurt his entire NFL tenure. Ive no faith he will even play half a season for us though that is cheap for him. Need a more reliable RB like Ronald Jones, Conner although you did draft Ford. Other than that, nice work.

          And how did we get 2 third rounders?
          €-traded J. TILLERY, T. PIPKINS, J. KELLEY, pick 6A = pick 3A

          Overpay is subjective.
          Top paid ILB are in the +$16M APY. Kyzir at half that in this market is cheap.
          Top paid EDGE players are +$24M APY. Uchenna locked up at half that is a bargain.

          Penny is a gamble that is why I used high draft capital on Ford. Would give us a strong 1,2,3 punch @RB.
          My 2021 Adopt-A-Bolt List

          MikeDub
          K9
          Nasir
          Tillery
          Parham
          Reed

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          • Boltnut
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            Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post

            I think you’re expecting the FA market to be less vibrant than it always is.
            This is my plan. I look forward to seeing your detailed plan.

            Yes. I use it for every one of these. I still have $21.7M in Cap space left. You know Cap hits are not equal per year, correct?
            Maybe I am. After looking at LB contracts, you're probably right about Kyzir and Uchenna. If that's the case, I'm moving on from Uchenna. We've been moaning and complaining all year about pass rush opposite Bosa. That's on Uchenna. Until recently, Fackrell had been the better overall OLB.

            My detailed plan was posted several pages back. I also posted a link to my roster...
            Simply drop Nwuso out, insert Fackrell, split Nwosu's money ($6 million) between Fackrell and White.

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            • Boltjolt
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              Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

              Maybe I am. After looking at LB contracts, you're probably right about Kyzir and Uchenna. If that's the case, I'm moving on from Uchenna. We've been moaning and complaining all year about pass rush opposite Bosa. That's on Uchenna. Until recently, Fackrell had been the better overall OLB.

              My detailed plan was posted several pages back. I also posted a link to my roster...
              Simply drop Nwuso out, insert Fackrell, split Nwosu's money ($6 million) between Fackrell and White.
              https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/ro...8358ff4cbf2cc/
              Fackrell has done very little this season and he wont be back.
              Uchenna is starting to come on the last month in tis different defense so thats a good sign. And we likely will draft an Edge as well. I still think that is a little high for him so we'll see. Id assume Staley wants him back since he said he is perfect for their defense.

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              • Boltjolt
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                Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

                Maybe I am. After looking at LB contracts, you're probably right about Kyzir and Uchenna. If that's the case, I'm moving on from Uchenna. We've been moaning and complaining all year about pass rush opposite Bosa. That's on Uchenna. Until recently, Fackrell had been the better overall OLB.

                My detailed plan was posted several pages back. I also posted a link to my roster...
                Simply drop Nwuso out, insert Fackrell, split Nwosu's money ($6 million) between Fackrell and White.
                https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/ro...8358ff4cbf2cc/
                So using the spotrac tool, how do you use the cap figure part when singing our own free gents? Im not sure what figure to add. For example, if signing MW do you put in his total for the contract or a yearly? Thats confusing on that page and no explanation given that i saw.

                Nevermind, i figured it out. Now to sign other free agents lol

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                • Bolt4Knob
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                  Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post

                  I think you’re expecting the FA market to be less vibrant than it always is.
                  This is my plan. I look forward to seeing your detailed plan.

                  Yes. I use it for every one of these. I still have $21.7M in Cap space left. You know Cap hits are not equal per year, correct?
                  With your cap space did you account for:

                  11 player draft class: so around $10m
                  10-15 players needed to get the roster to 53: so about $10m
                  Practice Squad and during the season IR Slush Fund: around $7m

                  I have the Chargers at around 55m of cap space releasing Bulaga and accounting for some of the above.

                  And I split the above with resigning their own players: Nwosu, Aboushi, Parham, Norton, Kyzir, Justin Jones, maybe a couple others
                  And the rest for free agency.

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                  • Boltjolt
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                    First time ive tried this. Kinda cool. Saw it last year but never tried it. So this is my roster before the draft after resigning and signing some other free agents. Though id like to keep Reed but couldnt figure out how.

                    And this is not right as Ninja said, the cap hits wont be the same every year. So MW first year cap hit wont be 16.5 mil.
                    Not sure how to make it to be years and not ave salary but using this you can not break down cap hits with contract lengths.

                    Free agent years totals at bottom.

                    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/ro...9fdf12e45064a/



                    Los Angeles Chargers 2022 (Created: 12/22/2021 5:53 PM)
                    1 Joey Bosa DE 27 2026 $28,250,000
                    2 Keenan Allen WR 30 2025 $19,200,000
                    3 Mike Williams WR 27 $16,500,000
                    4 Corey Linsley C 31 2026 $11,600,000
                    5 Michael Davis CB 27 2024 $9,400,000
                    6 Derwin James S 26 2023 $9,052,000
                    7 Uchenna Nwosu LB 24 $9,000,000
                    8 Matt Feiler RT 30 2024 $7,500,000
                    9 Justin Herbert QB 24 2025 $7,248,751
                    10 B.J. Hill DT 26 $7,000,000
                    11 Kyzir White OLB 25 $7,000,000
                    12 Austin Ekeler RB 27 2024 $6,500,000
                    13 Levi Wallace CB 26 $5,800,000
                    14 Sebastian Joseph DT 26 $5,500,000
                    15 Justin Jones DT 25 $5,500,000
                    16 Rashawn Slater LT 23 2026 $3,779,945
                    17 Kenneth Murray ILB 24 2025 $3,538,620
                    18 ------------------------ ----- ---- 0
                    19 Oday Aboushi T 30 $2,000,000
                    20 Dustin Hopkins K 31 $2,000,000
                    21 Asante Samuel Jr. CB 23 2025 $1,641,579
                    22 Nasir Adderley S 25 2023 $1,505,672
                    23 Jalen Guyton WR 24 $1,500,000
                    24 Storm Norton G 27 $1,500,000
                    25 Stephen Anderson TE 28 $1,250,000
                    26 Scott Quessenberry C 26 $1,200,000
                    27 Trey Pipkins LT 26 2023 $1,184,269
                    28 Josh Palmer WR 23 2025 $1,143,968
                    29 Matt Overton LS 36 $1,100,000
                    30 Donald Parham TE 24 $1,100,000
                    31 Tre McKitty TE 23 2025 $1,087,694
                    32 Drue Tranquill OLB 27 2023 $1,059,702
                    33 Easton Stick QB 27 2023 $1,034,391
                    34 Chris Rumph II DE 24 2025 $1,013,386
                    35 Alohi Gilman S 25 2024 $942,051
                    36 Brenden Jaimes OL 23 2025 $904,445
                    37 Essang Bassey CB 24 2023 $895,000
                    38 Joe Gaziano DE 26 2023 $895,000
                    39 Jeremy Chinn S 24 2025 $886,401
                    40 Nick Niemann LB 25 2025 $878,501
                    41 Larry Rountree III RB 24 2025 $868,940
                    42 Mark Webb S 24 2025 $850,022
                    43 Amen Ogbongbemiga LB 24 2024 $830,000
                    44 Damon Lloyd LB 24 2024 $825,000
                    Dead Cap
                    1 Bryan Bulaga RT 33 $3,333,334
                    2 Jerry Tillery DT 26 $1,581,756
                    3 Josh Kelley RB 25 $390,170
                    4 Joe Reed WR 24 $170,154
                    5 K.J. Hill WR 25 $52,414
                    6 Emeke Egbule LB 26 $39,091
                    7 Cortez Broughton DT 26 $19,505
                    8 Jared Goldwire DT 0 $13,334
                    9 Alex Kessman K 24 $6,667
                    10 Forrest Merrill DT 26 $6,000
                    11 Hunter Kampmoyer TE 24 $5,334
                    13 Kyle Spalding T 24 $5,000
                    12 Darius Harper T 25 $5,000
                    14 Ryan Langan LS 23 $3,334
                    15 Ben DeLuca S 24 $2,000
                    16 Gabe Nabers TE 25 $0
                    Transactions Log (HIDE)
                    • Released Bryan Bulaga
                      (Saved: $10,750,000)
                    • Released Josh Kelley
                      (Saved: $699,915)
                    • Released Gabe Nabers
                      (Saved: $895,000)
                    • Mike Williams signed as a free agent
                      (Cap: $16,500,000)
                    • Justin Jones signed as a free agent
                      (Cap: $5,500,000)
                    • Kyzir White signed as a free agent
                      (Cap: $7,000,000)
                    • Uchenna Nwosu signed as a free agent
                      (Cap: $9,000,000)
                    • Oday Aboushi signed as a free agent
                      (Cap: $2,000,000)
                    • Scott Quessenberry signed as a free agent
                      (Cap: $1,200,000)
                    • Stephen Anderson signed as a free agent
                      (Cap: $1,250,000)
                    • Matt Overton signed as a free agent
                      (Cap: $1,100,000)
                    • Jalen Guyton signed as a free agent
                      (Cap: $1,500,000)
                    • Storm Norton signed as a free agent
                      (Cap: $1,500,000)
                    • Donald Parham signed as a free agent
                      (Cap: $1,100,000)
                    • Dustin Hopkins signed as a free agent
                      (Cap: $2,000,000)
                    • Traded Jerry Tillery (LAC) for Jeremy Chinn (CAR)
                      (Saved: $1,166,166)
                    • Sebastian Joseph signed as a free agent
                      (Cap: $5,500,000)
                    • B.J. Hill signed as a free agent
                      (Cap: $7,000,000)
                    • Levi Wallace signed as a free agent
                      (CAP: $5,800,000)
                    Mike Williams 5 years/82.5 mil
                    BJ Hill 4 years /28 mil
                    Levi Wallace 3 years/ 17.4 mil
                    Joseph-Day 4 years/22 mil
                    Hopkins 2 years /4 mil
                    Justin Jones 4 years/ 22 mil
                    Uchenna Nwosu 4 years/ 36 mil
                    Kyzir White 4 years/ 28 mil
                    Oday Aboushi 2 years / 4 miL

                    20.13 Mil Left Over


                    DRAFT


                    Did some trading down then back up is why I only had 9 picks.
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                    Last edited by Boltjolt; 12-23-2021, 10:28 AM.

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                    • Bolt Dude
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                      Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post

                      €-traded J. TILLERY, T. PIPKINS, J. KELLEY, pick 6A = pick 3A

                      Overpay is subjective.
                      Top paid ILB are in the +$16M APY. Kyzir at half that in this market is cheap.
                      Top paid EDGE players are +$24M APY. Uchenna locked up at half that is a bargain.

                      Penny is a gamble that is why I used high draft capital on Ford. Would give us a strong 1,2,3 punch @RB.
                      Ronald Jones. Can he catch?
                      Our quarterback is a golden god.

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                      • like54ninjas
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                        Originally posted by Bolt4Knob View Post

                        With your cap space did you account for:

                        11 player draft class: so around $10m
                        10-15 players needed to get the roster to 53: so about $10m
                        Practice Squad and during the season IR Slush Fund: around $7m

                        I have the Chargers at around 55m of cap space releasing Bulaga and accounting for some of the above.

                        And I split the above with resigning their own players: Nwosu, Aboushi, Parham, Norton, Kyzir, Justin Jones, maybe a couple others
                        And the rest for free agency.
                        I have a full 53-Man Roster, top 51 contracts, with almost $22M in Cap space remaining for rooks/injury insurance.
                        The majority of rookie contracts will replace other low end contracts depending on who makes the roster as a Cap buffer.
                        I have 14 possible, under contract, players for our PS listed.
                        All players listed in my “Arm Chaired” GMing are signed/Cap accounted for.
                        My 2021 Adopt-A-Bolt List

                        MikeDub
                        K9
                        Nasir
                        Tillery
                        Parham
                        Reed

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                        • Bolt4Knob
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                          Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post

                          I have a full 53-Man Roster, top 51 contracts, with almost $22M in Cap space remaining for rooks/injury insurance.
                          The majority of rookie contracts will replace other low end contracts depending on who makes the roster as a Cap buffer.
                          I have 14 possible, under contract, players for our PS listed.
                          All players listed in my “Arm Chaired” GMing are signed/Cap accounted for.
                          Nice damn work Ninja! I think it was sound and sensible

                          I just keep a spreadsheet and I haven't figured out the numbers but I have between 20 and 25m - of the $55 for non Charger players

                          I have Telesco bringing back Aboushi, Nwosu, White, Jones, tendering Parham and Norton, a few more that will probably take close to 30m in cap. Plus some of the guys they might bring back, Chase Daniels for example, might be a veteran minimum player. But with that other say 20-25 - they can be aggressive if a guy like Adams comes about . Mainly, they would have money for 2, maybe three players. But they have to be targeted and hopefully impactful. I keep going back to the Broncos of Ware, Talib and Ward.

                          EDIT: Using OTC.com for cap space with the current Top 33 - I added 11 draft picks (as they should get 4 comp picks) plus 9 other players at the minimum to get to the roster size , I come up with $54m of cap space; adding Bulaga would push that figure to $65m

                          Removing $10m for a slush fund and practice squad - I think the team having $55m to "offseason with" is a pretty good number to start with
                          Last edited by Bolt4Knob; 12-23-2021, 09:54 AM.

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