2022 Official Chargers Season Discussion

[Bolt Dude]

BDude, Nutty.
Our LBs would appreciate it !
BDude, I see what you did there.
Ten snaps per game for Jerry.

Having a specialist is a good thing…

if used only on special situations.

We don’t use hedge trimmers to chop down trees.

JT is an interior pass rush specialist. Downs with 5-step drops are optimal. The sooner we realize this the better we’ll be.

[beachcomber]

I like what I’ve seen from Hopkins enough to not spend a 6th on a kicker. I could be wrong, but TT seems like the kind of GM who doesn’t trust kickers straight out of college.

As far as TEs go, Muse doesn’t stand out. I like McBride, Kolar, Dulcich, Likely, Turner, Ferguson, LaPorta, Kuithe…and there’ll be a few guys that come out of left field. It’s a pretty deep class and they’ll separate from each other during pro days and combine.

TT might also see if he can squeeze another year out of Cook. He’s played some good football this year. If no one that he likes falls to us in the draft, I could also see him rolling with Parham, Anderson, and McKitty. Or maybe grab a FA.

what don't you like 'bout Otton, or is it that you just don't want to spend that high of capital on a TE.... (personally thought HH was a reach in the middle of the second ?)

[beachcomber]

Who says we don't keep Hopkins?

We also have 3 developing TEs so why draft another? Unless we draft a TE high which I don't see,... I think we may sign another vet to a short deal. But that's my guess.

speaking for myself, see McKitty as a blocking TE that can def get into the mix catching the football, see Parham as our receiving TE, both of which are more situational/rotational types by my take, and that we are still in need of a dual starting TE to spell Cook, as am not on the Anderson bandwagon.... hence my interest in Cade Otton as our HH replacement.

[beachcomber]

Agree with all that, Hopkins is 31 so if I can draft a kicker in the 6th I'll do it unless Hopkins kills it the rest of the way. Don't think he will.

would only draft a kicker if I see one I like, and so far.... haven't seen that guy ?? do like a punter or two tho, and would def spend some draft capital to bring into camp.

re: K, would prolly sign a vet FA to give Hopkins some comp there, and to hedge our bets going into our SB season.

[Bolt Dude]

what don't you like 'bout Otton, or is it that you just don't want to spend that high of capital on a TE.... (personally thought HH was a reach in the middle of the second ?)

I watched a lot of Otton because I’m a Husky fan. Would have loved to make him a target for our next TE, but as much as I wanted to see it, I didn’t.

Otton regressed from last year. He really wasn’t very good in 2021. I think he’s a 5th rounder.

[beachcomber]

Right now, I'm only focussing on future FA's that I'm 99% sure won't be back with their old teams (major cap issues).
WR Davante Adams. He'll cost $25 million per year. Currently, Green Bay is $34 million OVER the cap for 2022.
IDL Sebastian Joseph-Day. Estimating that he'll cost $4-5 million per year. Rams only have $5 million in cap room for 2022.
IDL Austin Johnson. Another guy that I estimate at $4-5 million per year. Giants only have $4 million in cap space for 2022.

Whereas, Xavien Howard isn't even a FA next year. Miami has tons of cap space in 2022. I'd get my CB in the draft... in the 1st round (5th year option) would be my preference.

True, WR Davante Adams would cost us $10 million more per year than Mike Williams. But there is a reason for that. DA is $10 million better than MW. MW doesn't make us a SB contender IMO. He's too inconsistent. Adams (paired with KA) would make our offense deadly and instantly give Herbert another proven target. Defenses taking KA out of the game plan (through constant double teams) just wouldn't happen as much. Having to defend both KA and DA would involve using safeties more often... would actually improve our run game, too. I know that's a lot of money to commit to the WR position... but we will have the space while JH is playing under his rookie contract. This would give us a 3-year SB window.

Linval Joseph is 33 years old and a descending player. He counted as nearly $12 million against our cap this year.
Joseph-Day is 26 years old and ascending. Staley knows what he can do as an ex-Ram.
Austin Johnson is 27 years old and ascending.
Having Jones (25), Joseph-Day (26), and Johnson (27) would give us depth at NT/DT. Could even stack all 3 at once in known running situations (4i/NT/4i). No more Tillery @4i in 3rd down and short situations. Get off the field. Tie up OL. Free up your pass rushers and keep your LB's clean.

As much as I loathed the Tillery pick... he will be on the roster next year. At this point, he has no trade value. I wouldn't create an un-needed hole in the roster. Having said that, I would waive Bulaga. He's already proven to be a "hole in the roster" as he can't stay healthy. He also clears $11 million in cap space (biggest incentive).

am down w/the two IDL, albeit am hesitant to go w/the either of Davante or MW, as thinking back to our lone SB and our QB was Stan and two fairly middling wideouts.... we already have Keenan at a fairly hefty price, and fairly certain we can nab a dependable WR in FA to pair w/him, and maybe even a second to bolster the WR ranks.

anytime you overspend at one position or on one player, you are taking away from another position group, or eliminating a solid starter somewhere else on the roster.... teams win SBs, not individual stars.

time and again it's the defense that prevails in SB wins, and despite the sordid/below avg play of their "star" QB.... still want a starting caliber RB & WR from FA, but really think we can stand to add a starter in most of our position groups on the defensive side of the ball, save for safety and maybe LB ?? ....starting corner, ED, 4i and NT.

[beachcomber]

Mock drafts have guys like RT Abraham Lucas lasting until the 3rd round. But that probably doesn't happen in reality. Like you, I'd take Lucas in the 2nd round.

you guys like Lucas over Faalele ?? which one is a better fit for our Staley/Lombardi O ??

[Boltnut]

you guys like Lucas over Faalele ?? which one is a better fit for our Staley/Lombardi O ??

I do. Lucas' pass blocking technique is much better. And Lucas fits the outside zone scheme much better, too. Better feet and better athlete. His power isn't Faalele's power... but I think we value mobility over power.

[Boltjolt]

Agree with all that, Hopkins is 31 so if I can draft a kicker in the 6th I'll do it unless Hopkins kills it the rest of the way. Don't think he will.

31 doesn't really apply much to a kicker as another possition. Robbie Gould is still kicking at 39. Granted he won't be lining up for a 60 yarder.

[beachcomber]

Easy.

RT will be a rookie. CB will be a rookie. EDGE will be a rookie. That's 3 rookies right there.
After the 3rd round, your drafting depth anyways... LB, RB, TE, DL... 7 rooks.
Extra RB (to compete against Kelly/Roundtree)
Extra WR (unless you think Guyton is your future)
Extra CB (compete against Campbell and Hall)
Extra S (compete with Gilman/Webb/Marshall)

11 rookies is not unthinkable.
11 rookies on 4-year deals. In 3 years, we'll be paying a QB big money and shedding more expensive players.
How many of our current players were 4th+ rounders...?

agree.... would be looking WR, TE, swing tackle, OG, OC, NT, 4i, ED, ILB, CB, S, K, P

and you can't tell me that Ninja and other Die Hard draftniks don't look over the list of UDFAs and say there's no one there that they wouldn't want on our roster.... every year there are gems that slip thru the cracks.... we need to be that GM that makes good day three picks.... guaranteed Ninja could spend a good twentysomething picks day three.... if you let him,

[Boltnut]

am down w/the two IDL, albeit am hesitant to go w/the either of Davante or MW, as thinking back to our lone SB and our QB was Stan and two fairly middling wideouts.... we already have Keenan at a fairly hefty price, and fairly certain we can nab a dependable WR in FA to pair w/him, and maybe even a second to bolster the WR ranks.

anytime you overspend at one position or on one player, you are taking away from another position group, or eliminating a solid starter somewhere else on the roster.... teams win SBs, not individual stars.

time and again it's the defense that prevails in SB wins, and despite the sordid/below avg play of their "star" QB.... still want a starting caliber RB & WR from FA, but really think we can stand to add a starter in most of our position groups on the defensive side of the ball, save for safety and maybe LB ?? ....starting corner, ED, 4i and NT.

Our 2022 team will be 180 degrees different than that 1994 team. Means was the offensive focal point. Herbert is the player that this team's offense will be built around.

If our offense was able to get early leads, we would make opponents 1-dimensional. Our defense could/would be attacking (see Bengals game) and take advantage (turnovers/sacks) of others. Staley's defense is predicated on other team's mistakes. Having said that, our defense must be better at stopping the run. That's why I advocate picking up a couple of IDL in free agency. When Joseph and/or Jones is out... we are a sieve. Sieves don't create turnovers... or create 3rd and long situations.

[Boltnut]

agree.... would be looking WR, TE, swing tackle, OG, OC, NT, 4i, ED, ILB, CB, S, K, P

and you can't tell me that Ninja and other Die Hard draftniks don't look over the list of UDFAs and say there's no one there that they wouldn't want on our roster.... every year there are gems that slip thru the cracks.... we need to be that GM that makes good day three picks.... guaranteed Ninja could spend a good twentysomething picks day three.... if you let him,

Are you kidding...? TPB forum is loaded with quality Draftniks! I'm constantly changing my FA targets and draft picks based on their suggestions.
But I have my own takes, also. Last offseason, I stuck to my guns (re-build the OL through FA and draft a real LT). That's worked out pretty well. Linsley, Feiler, and Aboushi were all targets for me. This offseason, I want the job finished (quality RT) and on to the next pet-project... re-build the DL). Depth is my other crusade...

My flier is Davante Adams. We have the space... paradigm shift...? All in...? Fight for LA...?
I also see that KA's contract is conspicuously structured in 2023 and 2024...

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/keenan-allen-12357/