2022 Training Camp Thread

[Fouts2herbert]

Anybody have Oday Aboushi's number?

LT: Slater
LG: Zion (where he should be)
OC: Linsley
RG: Aboushi
RT: Feiler (where he should be)

I feel like I’ve been talking about this for so long that I just can’t get up for making the argument anymore, the coaches (or the front office) have decided to handicap herbert and the offense for some fuggin reason by not giving him the best combination of available offensive line players. I don’t get it and I’m past frustrated talking about it, pipkins and norton are nothing more than back-ups and back-ups with no upside, both of those guys are tapped out to their max which is not good enough to play for some college teams let alone in the NFL…

Re-signing aboushi would mean you still keep your depth in the interior so I would be all for that, I’m not sold on Jaimes either, he’s a better quality back-up at guard than pipkins or norton are at tackle, but that’s not saying much…

[dmac_bolt]

I feel like I’ve been talking about this for so long that I just can’t get up for making the argument anymore, the coaches (or the front office) have decided to handicap herbert and the offense for some fuggin reason by not giving him the best combination of available offensive line players. I don’t get it and I’m past frustrated talking about it, pipkins and norton are nothing more than back-ups and back-ups with no upside, both of those guys are tapped out to their max which is not good enough to play for some college teams let alone in the NFL…

Re-signing aboushi would mean you still keep your depth in the interior so I would be all for that, I’m not sold on Jaimes either, he’s a better quality back-up at guard than pipkins or norton are at tackle, but that’s not saying much…

Maybe the Coaches that are working with him day in and day out know that Salyer is not quite ready to be quite as good against starting NFL players as this forum armchair GM club thinks he is. I am not overly comforted by the Pip vs Nort press, its not like I’m not with the GM cabal in some level of concern.

but my concern is limited - its not end of world catastrophe, its a coaching strategery challenge like every NFL team has position groups our spots that they must plan for due to challenge. and who knows - maybe it was just a bad first day for the OL and this is typical and our DL did the same to their OL?. I did NOT see the similar blow by blow listing of our DL vs their OL - yet.

[Boltinloudguy]

Well, Daryl Williams is still available for RT competition if it keeps headed in the wrong direction.

[21&500]

I'm not, "worried" but I get Fleet's frustration.

If RT is still a problem in 2022, then the arrogance from which we failed to address our most glaring hole is inexcusable.

Morgan Moses was my plan, not a perfect plan, but it would have addressed RT at a reasonable price.

The talk was about Pipkins improving and/or Feiler being an ace up our sleeve.
whatever we do, it better not be a liability all season for Herbert to deal with.

Staley needs to prove himself and these offseason moves can logically be attributed to his advocacy, so they better result in a winning record/playoffs. No excuses outside of a Herbert injury. Knock on wood.

[dmac_bolt]

I'm not, "worried" but I get Fleet's frustration.

If RT is still a problem in 2022, then the arrogance from which we failed to address our most glaring hole is inexcusable.

Morgan Moses was my plan, not a perfect plan, but it would have addressed RT at a reasonable price.

The talk was about Pipkins improving and/or Feiler being an ace up our sleeve.
whatever we do, it better not be a liability all season for Herbert to deal with.

Staley needs to prove himself and these offseason moves can logically be attributed to his advocacy, so they better result in a winning record/playoffs. No excuses outside of a Herbert injury. Knock on wood.

RT wasn’t our most glaring hole. Our most glaring hole was a defense that was last in the league in 3rd down, bottom X in scoring allowed, bottom X in rush D, … etc etc - we’ve all seen the stats ad nauseam. The unrelenting arrogance of portions of this forum to continue to berate the fine LAC staff that this was the most glaring hole when it clearly, empirically and emphatically was not the biggest contributor to losses is inexcusable given all of the data and information so widely published and comment on for now the last 7 months.

RT was the biggest hole on a Top 5 offense, or tied for worst. RG was just as bad as RT imo, how Scho continues to go uncriticized still baffles me. He was horrible and idgaf what PFFFT says, they are a laugh. The FO stretched far and wide to close as many holes as they could in the off season - and in the draft there wasn’t a compelling elite RT that was a better pick than Zion imo at our slot.

Now every bleats Salyer should be starting LG - yet nobody has ever seen him play against starting NFL defenders. Just cuz … with confidence … thats the TPB GM way.

The TPB GMs really need to prove themselves this year … their record of mistakes and errors is lengthy, not sure how much longer the owners can tolerate such poor performance.

[TexanBeerlover]

RT wasn’t our most glaring hole. Our most glaring hole was a defense that was last in the league in 3rd down, bottom X in scoring allowed, bottom X in rush D, … etc etc - we’ve all seen the stats ad nauseam. The unrelenting arrogance of portions of this forum to continue to berate the fine LAC staff that this was the most glaring hole when it clearly, empirically and emphatically was not the biggest contributor to losses is inexcusable given all of the data and information so widely published and comment on for now the last 7 months.

RT was the biggest hole on a Top 5 offense, or tied for worst. RG was just as bad as RT imo, how Scho continues to go uncriticized still baffles me. He was horrible and idgaf what PFFFT says, they are a laugh. The FO stretched far and wide to close as many holes as they could in the off season - and in the draft there wasn’t a compelling elite RT that was a better pick than Zion imo at our slot.

Now every bleats Salyer should be starting LG - yet nobody has ever seen him play against starting NFL defenders. Just cuz … with confidence … thats the TPB GM way.

The TPB GMs really need to prove themselves this year … their record of mistakes and errors is lengthy, not sure how much longer the owners can tolerate such poor performance.

Specifically, yes RT was biggest hole/need to improve. One position above all others. Defensive hole’S where systematic as a group of positions/players who needed updgrade’S across the line & secondary.

Saints reached for one. The Cowboys reached for one. Chargers stood their ground, trusted evaluation and went best player available @ position of need RG, which can only help the RT.

[Shock&Awe]

I have a hard believing the coaches and FO are content with letting the RT job play out and go with whoever sucked least in camp/preseason. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them bring in someone before the season after the final roster cutdowns, so I wouldn’t hit the panic button just yet.

[jamrock]

I'm not, "worried" but I get Fleet's frustration.

If RT is still a problem in 2022, then the arrogance from which we failed to address our most glaring hole is inexcusable.

Morgan Moses was my plan, not a perfect plan, but it would have addressed RT at a reasonable price.

The talk was about Pipkins improving and/or Feiler being an ace up our sleeve.
whatever we do, it better not be a liability all season for Herbert to deal with.

Staley needs to prove himself and these offseason moves can logically be attributed to his advocacy, so they better result in a winning record/playoffs. No excuses outside of a Herbert injury. Knock on wood.

it wasn’t just RT. Popper says the Chargers would have given up 8 sacks against the Cowboys. And that’s just in 11-11 drills. 8 sacks. The whole line was leaky.

[UtahBolt]

This place seems to over hype Salyer and Horvath.

Right? Lower round picks for a reason. Thought both looked sluggish for their positions in the first PS game.

[Heatmiser]

If you listen to Ekeler, he says that they did not prepare for stunts, games, etc the Cowboys ran. They couldn't. So I don't look at the 8 simulated sacks as indictments on individual players but rather the cohesion of the line, passing guys off, scheming, etc. It was a great learning experience and this is a scrimmage. Very valuable for Zion. Ekeler also said that because this is a scrimmage, guys like him are not going to go low on protection so he got buried and pushed around by pass rushers.

I think any RT doing one-on-ones with Parsons is pretty challenging. I trust Popper's eyes and reports and it sounded like all the linemen had some struggles, even board favorite Salyer. I am sure whoever went up on one-ones with Bosa or Mack lost and struggled, too.

Bottom line is I would not over react to this. The preseason game against the Rams the OL looked pretty decent. Let's see how they look (ableit all 2-3 stringers) on Saturday night in a game.

TG

[Topcat]

I'm not saying they will... but they should. I'd like to know how his re-hab went. Is this an injury issue or is this a we-drafted-another-guy issue...?

I would say it's telling that he hasn't been signed by another team yet. Why? Is he still re-habbing?

[Topcat]

This place seems to over hype Salyer and Horvath.

You call it hype, I call it HOPE...we're HOPING...hoping that Salyer, Horvath, Sarell...hoping for SOMEBODY in the lower rounds emerges into a serviceable starter...Pip, Storm, Kelley, Rountree, Tillery have all had their shot...maybe one or more of them suddenly blossoms...in the meantime, I'm pulling for the cream to rise to the top...and that cream may come from an unexpected source...