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  • Maniaque 6
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    Originally posted by chaincrusher View Post

    Nobody is disputing that the best WR on a team may be a slower WR. In those instances, the slower WR has another skill or skills that offset(s) the lack of speed problem. In Allen's case, his sudden movement ability allows him to get open quickly. But defenders can and do close on him if he is running after making moves. All other things being equal, having speed is better for a WR than not having speed.

    In the case of our team, right now, all of our active wide receivers are "not fast" to "slow", which is terrible as we have no speedy deep threat. We signed a relatively fast scrub from PHI's practice squad demonstrating the degree to which our team management and coaches just do not get it. On a team with playoff and possibly Super Bowl aspirations, why we are not trying to sign Will Fuller or even Chris Conley is beyond all understanding. To the extent that those receivers may be better than either Guyton or Palmer, that is not a bad thing.

    As for Johnson, he played better for us than Palmer ever has. It is as simple as that. In no universe is there even an argument to the contrary. 398 yards on just 26 targets for Johnson (2020) versus 353 yards on 49 targets for Palmer (2021). There is no comparison there as one receiver, Johnson, was basically more than twice as effective as the other (15.3 yards per target versus 7.2 yards per target). And this year, of course, Palmer's yards per target (even with the blown play by the defender that gifted Palmer a 45 reception on a 7 yard pass) are down to 6.4 yards per target. And if you give Palmer 10 yards instead of 45 to account for the defensive incompetence, a more accurate figure of 4.7 yards per target is produced. There are RBs that gain more yardage per touch running with the ball, which makes Palmer's unaided production pretty pathetic.

    And the bigger problem with cutting Johnson, of course, is that it left us with only one speedy WR. And if that WR gets injured, then we have none and cannot stretch out opposing defenses vertically. How any team management and coaching staff could fail to recognize this very, very simple concept is mind boggling.

    Among the statements I made before the season began were that:

    1. Our scoring rank of 5th resulted in too much credit being given to Lombardi because it failed to consider points produced by Staley's unique 4th down aggressiveness.
    2. If the offense uses Palmer more and Guyton less, the offense will suffer because Palmer does not complement Allen and Williams as well as Guyton does.

    Well, we are not going for it as much on 4th down this year and the offense has focused more on Palmer. The result, we are not even scoring 20 points per game. Herbert is 6th from the bottom in intended air yards despite being 6th from the top in throws in which the defender is within one yard of the intended receiver. More risk for less yards. What I predicted would happen has happened. Do you see it now?
    No !

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    • Boltjolt
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      Originally posted by Maniaque 6 View Post

      No !
      Agree, No! Bunch of poppycock using what ifs and stats that don't matter.
      Chain would be a perfect PFF guy , coming up with stats with how they came up with their rankings are meaningless.

      TBilly had a higher average per reception because all he ran was longer routes.....one was a lucky Hail Mary he came up with and let's use the reason CC used for Palmers 45 yard reception......blown coverage, and luck.....and if not for that ........blah,blah ,blah.

      He didn't get WR screens or quick outs. And now he isn't getting any balls thrown to him from the bench.
      Last edited by Boltjolt; 09-29-2022, 05:13 PM.

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      • jamrock
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        In Lombardi’s presser today he again admitted that he was too conservative in his calls as he wasn’t sure about Herbert. 2 out of 3 games Lombardi admits he did a bad job.

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        • richpjr
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          Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

          Agree, No! Bunch of poppycock using what ifs and stats that don't matter.
          Chain would be a perfect PFF guy , coming up with stats with how they came up with them are meaningless.

          TBilly had a higher average per reception because all he ran was longer routes.....one was a lucky Hail Mary he came up with and let's use the reason CC used for Palmers 45 yard reception......blown coverage.....and if not for that ........blah,blah ,blah.

          He didn't get WR screens or quick outs. And now he isn't getting any balls thrown to him from the bench.
          The bottom line on TBilly, which a few really seem to not grasp, is there is a reason why he keeps getting cut. Why was he cut so many times by so many teams? Crappy attitude? Lazy? Low football IQ? A one trick pony? All of the above? There is something there. If he were cut once or even twice you could maybe rationalize it, but he is on his 7th team and has not getting any time now, even with Renfroe out with a concussion. So while it was nice he caught 20 of his 22 career receptions with us, there is something off with him.

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          • wu-dai clan
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            Originally posted by jamrock View Post
            In Lombardi’s presser today he again admitted that he was too conservative in his calls as he wasn’t sure about Herbert. 2 out of 3 games Lombardi admits he did a bad job.
            I would like to hear exactly what Lombardi said, and what context it was said in.

            In a world full of "Fire Lombardi" thinking, it would be easy for things to get distorted.

            Also I would say fans appear to be choosing when to take Lombardi literally and when not too.

            An OC owes us successful playcalling on Sundays, not accurate sound bites on each Thursday.


            Last edited by wu-dai clan; 09-29-2022, 05:19 PM.
            We do not play modern football.

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            • wu-dai clan
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              So, I see now. Lombardi's comments about "being overly cautious in playcalling", were in the context of Herbert's injury.

              This is quite different than a narrative that Lombardi is "admitting" he is generally not aggressive enough.

              We do not play modern football.

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              • powderblueboy
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                Originally posted by jamrock View Post
                In Lombardi’s presser today he again admitted that he was too conservative in his calls as he wasn’t sure about Herbert. 2 out of 3 games Lombardi admits he did a bad job.
                Frankly, that's nice to hear.

                What i don't want to hear is the old 'we need to execute better" song and dance.

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                • powderblueboy
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                  Originally posted by wu-dai clan View Post
                  So, I see now. Lombardi's comments about "being overly cautious in playcalling", were in the context of Herbert's injury.

                  This is quite different than a narrative that Lombardi is "admitting" he is generally not aggressive enough.
                  He stated that he did a "poor" job in 2 of the 3 games.

                  I was surprised at how timid the Charger O came out in the opening few series against Oakland.

                  A successful O.C. owes his success to reconsidering what is not working.

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                  • powderblueboy
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                    Originally posted by Riverwalk View Post
                    “Speed is over-rated”

                    I’ll take ‘Things never said about Tyreek Hill’ for 100, Alex.
                    The Saints offense (a version of which we run) had M. Colston & M. Thomas as their two best receivers.....slow guys.

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                    • Originally posted by richpjr View Post

                      The bottom line on TBilly, which a few really seem to not grasp, is there is a reason why he keeps getting cut. Why was he cut so many times by so many teams? Crappy attitude? Lazy? Low football IQ? A one trick pony? All of the above? There is something there. If he were cut once or even twice you could maybe rationalize it, but he is on his 7th team and has not getting any time now, even with Renfroe out with a concussion. So while it was nice he caught 20 of his 22 career receptions with us, there is something off with him.
                      Again, what Johnson does for other teams is totally irrelevant to how he works with Herbert as his QB. That is obvious and yet deliberately ignored in your take.

                      He literally produced the highest passer rating when targeted of any qualifying receiver in the entire league when paired with Herbert. That is more than nice. That is excellence in his limited role. There was nothing off about that.

                      What is off is your entire take.

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                      • jamrock
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                        Originally posted by wu-dai clan View Post
                        So, I see now. Lombardi's comments about "being overly cautious in playcalling", were in the context of Herbert's injury.

                        This is quite different than a narrative that Lombardi is "admitting" he is generally not aggressive enough.
                        “Overly cautious” in week 3.

                        “too conservative” in week 2.

                        You can spin it your way but I’m not twisting his words.

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                        • DennisR91
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                          Originally posted by chaincrusher View Post

                          Again, what Johnson does for other teams is totally irrelevant to how he works with Herbert as his QB. That is obvious and yet deliberately ignored in your take.

                          He literally produced the highest passer rating when targeted of any qualifying receiver in the entire league when paired with Herbert. That is more than nice. That is excellence in his limited role. There was nothing off about that.

                          What is off is your entire take.
                          i agree
                          he put out pretty good for us edit or rather for jh

                          7 teams trash is jh treasure



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                          ask whT you can do for jh

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