2023 Official Roster Build Thread - The Initial 53 / Practice Squad

[beachcomber]

I am sick of winning the cap SB every year. Some people here would rather have a perfect cap and no playoffs or winning. I would gladly sacrifice the cap and all the cap worshipers for a SB.

sure seems like the receiver room is full to the brim, and the RB room near bare.... ??

is there a slam dunk wideout that you feel really comfortable w/in replacing Guyton, Palmer and/or Carter with ??

and how is it that peoples are so convinced that our receivers can't get open deep.... think it's a given that we're pretty darn good for the if and when MW and Keenan are on the field together.

and if you overpay MW and Pips, how do you get around not sacking other parts of the roster ??

not to mention we have the both of Herbert and Slater on the horizon....

[FoutsFan]

sure seems like the receiver room is full to the brim, and the RB room near bare.... ??

is there a slam dunk wideout that you feel really comfortable w/in replacing Guyton, Palmer and/or Carter with ??

and how is it that peoples are so convinced that our receivers can't get open deep.... think it's a given that we're pretty darn good for the if and when MW and Keenan are on the field together.

and if you overpay MW and Pips, how do you get around not sacking other parts of the roster ??

not to mention we have the both of Herbert and Slater on the horizon....

TT was not worried about the cap. Teams always can maneuver around to get what they need done.

[Boltinloudguy]

resign Pips
+ WR & TE in draft- I definitely want 2 speedy play makers. I do like Hyatt in the 1st at the moment. I also like Rakim Jarrett in the 4th. I would be ok not taking a TE in the draft this year.
all eggs in the Kelley/Spiller basket, as not so worried 'bout an Ek injury
sign backup QB in FA
+ ED & IDL (pass rusher or run stuffer) in draft- If Isaiah Foskey is there in the 2nd, I think you jump on that pick. I’ve seen him ranked late 1st to the back end of the 2nd.
+ LB in draft- I think they resign Tranq but draft a LB in the later rounds.
+ CB in draft- Do not know enough on DBs in the later rounds yet.
+ KR in draft- RB Duece Vaughn- Sproles 2.0

not sure Pips is gonna be affordable.... personally would spend $6m there.... are you willing to go to $10m (or is that yet another overpaid Telesco biased signing similar to MW ?) They can shuffle enough money to resign and sign the players they need. Pip is one of them for around $7-$8 mil a year.

also not sure how you are so confident in Spiller.... what is it that you've seen that makes you comfortable w/him, not to mention that Kelley was unavailabe for a bit last season, and Ek has gone down for extended stretches in the past.... I’ve recommended bringing in Michael Pitre of the Falcons to be RB Coach/Run Game Coordinator. He did a great job with Tyler Allgeier this year. I think he could do really well with EK, Kelly, Spiller and Horvath next year.

and know you've mentioned IOL in other posts, but no swing tackle, OG or Linsley replacement ?? Rick Stromberg in the 3rd

and how do you pass on both NT and RB when they just don't fall to your slotting so very often ??

and are you willing to spend for a Gardner Minshew or Jarrett Stidham, or do you have another FA QB in mind ?? Mike White?

and you're one of the only ones here who mentions not resigning Tranq.... agreed.

and CB depth without Callahan ?? who hasn't got injured or benched out of our starting 3 ?? and Ja'Sir/Deane Leonard.... ??

and jftr, personally think we need NT over pass rushing specialist inside, given we resign Fox.

and even if we don't go RB early, think this draft has too much talent @RB not to come away with one.

[Fouts2herbert]

I want deuce vaughn in later rounds, he was one of the most entertaining college guys I watched last year…he reminds me a lot of little train james, I’d draft him as a gadget offensive weapon/KR specialist…he’d be so much fun to watch on turf at scofi…

[beachcomber]

dude.... just want to give you some props for naming names, as sometimes it's a little much when peoples are posting by position and not having any players knowledge for who's actually available in the draft.... much appreciated,

[beachcomber]

bosa, converting half of his salary to bonus is kind of a no brainer due to him still having a good 4-5 years left, converting half his salary to a signing bonus would drop his cap hit to around 21mil and clear up 10mil in cap space or you can do even more if you convert more

mack, converting half of his salary to a bonus and adding a voidable year drops his cap number to around 16mil and adds 11mil to cap space or you can do more by converting more

keenan I would convert some of his salary into a bonus too, even half of his current salary would drop his cap number by 6mil without putting too much into dead cap years down the road, same with mack

williams is worth his cap hit and he’s still in his prime and I’d convert half of his salary with zero regrets, here’s another guy that could add another 6mill to the cap

linsley is also an easy decision, give him half his salary up front and add a minimal 2mil dead cap after he retires but you also clear up 5mil in cap space

jc jackson is a big mystery, I don’t know what happens there, do the chargers have an out? Like in case he had legal issues? IDK, I’ll be really interested to see what happens with this one

an additional 9 mil can be cleared by cutting fieler and hopkins

extending ekeler by adding two more seasons (next year is last on his deal) to his current deal gives him a nice bonus and drops his cap hit clearing up another 5mil in cap space

same with michael davis, extend him, he’s motivated to stay in LA so the chargers can take advantage and get a deal here, by extending him they drop his cap hit to around 6 mil so they’d be clearing around 4 mil in cap space and go into 2023 feeling good that no matter what happens with jc jackson we have a very good corner in davis

NONE of these moves would put our future in jeopardy cap wise, none would be irresponsible and since all these guys move on at different intervals their dead caps won’t impact the same year, on the other hand if we make a bunch of trades, cuts or whatever we WILL be fucking up our team AND our cap for a couple of years!

if the team makes all these moves and they don’t need to make all of them but they certainly should, they would clear as much as 56 MILLION in cap space sign pipkins, tranquill, etc…then after FA, the draft, second wave FA, and signing all their draft picks, at that point the herbert talks will begin in ernest…I expect them to extend herbert before 2023 season starts, otherwise it’ll happen after the 2023 season…

luck is the residue of design (Branch Rickey).... for those that claim that team Tommy John has just gotten lucky, or that these players have just fallen in their laps.... think it's more a matter of design, by the NFL. the draft is designed to give teams w/fewer number of wins, the higher draft choice. we finished 4-12 in 2015, and 5-11 in both 2016 and 2019. in 2018 we made it to 12 wins. my guess is that we might match that total again next season.... then what ?? do we drop back down to where we were, or do team Tommy John magickally discover how to draft better and not overpay for FAs, and possibly learn how to stockpile picks, rather than just the status quo of 7/draft ??

and I know there were 8 million reasons not to let Brandon go, and.... not sure that was the right/best decision, and ditto for Tommy T., as he has shown that he is extremely flexible and willing and able to work w/most anyone, and perhaps the most likeable guy in the org, and.... not sure his time isn't up as well ??

and now that our string of high draft picks has subsided, is year 11 the year that Tom has things sorted ?? has young John finally gained the Midas touch in football ops ?? are we going to rise above very avg in evaluating talent in both the draft and in FA ?? can we sustain any type of success, rather than the ebb and flow as our record might dictate ?? or do we continue to have fodder here on the tPBs 'til the cows come home, to share of our how to and how it shoulda, coulda, woulda better been done ??

good to read everyone's takes, and appreciate the thoroughness/lengths that some peoples go to in breaking things down....

my personal take is no way would I put myself on the line w/Bosa for any longer than his current contract.... that is risky biz, as his production and availability are growing variables.

ditto for Mack, as he has done wonders for us in the absence of Bosa, and it would be amazing if he duplicated what he did for us this season next year, and.... dude has an admirable injury history, and nothing to take chances with.... he'll be fine when his contract time comes up again, albeit we won't be resigning everyone given the balloon that is Herbert's contract to be.

Keenan is not overpaid, nor is he someone that I am eyeing to let go anytime too soon, and.... just disagree w/MW, as personal opinion is that he is overpaid, and given that he is not a WR1, would be very cautious about resigning him for a similar contract, as even tho yes, he may be in his prime, don't think he is worth his cap hit, and he might well be a Herbert casualty as well when that contract gets done.

and as am not much of a student of the cap, will give things the benefit of the doubt w/Linsley, albeit am not in the cut Feiler camp, as hope there is an opportunity for a restructure there ??

and not against extending the either of Ek nor Mike D., just don't want to overpay, nor preclude us from getting an RB1....

am also not in favor of resigning Tranquill, and would question resigning Pips @$10m, 'specially given we have Salyer/Feiler available there if need be.

[charger1_sj]

luck is the residue of design (Branch Rickey).... for those that claim that team Tommy John has just gotten lucky, or that these players have just fallen in their laps.... think it's more a matter of design, by the NFL. the draft is designed to give teams w/fewer number of wins, the higher draft choice. we finished 4-12 in 2015, and 5-11 in both 2016 and 2019. in 2018 we made it to 12 wins. my guess is that we might match that total again next season.... then what ?? do we drop back down to where we were, or do team Tommy John magickally discover how to draft better and not overpay for FAs, and possibly learn how to stockpile picks, rather than just the status quo of 7/draft ??

and I know there were 8 million reasons not to let Brandon go, and.... not sure that was the right/best decision, and ditto for Tommy T., as he has shown that he is extremely flexible and willing and able to work w/most anyone, and perhaps the most likeable guy in the org, and.... not sure his time isn't up as well ??

and now that our string of high draft picks has subsided, is year 11 the year that Tom has things sorted ?? has young John finally gained the Midas touch in football ops ?? are we going to rise above very avg in evaluating talent in both the draft and in FA ?? can we sustain any type of success, rather than the ebb and flow as our record might dictate ?? or do we continue to have fodder here on the tPBs 'til the cows come home, to share of our how to and how it shoulda, coulda, woulda better been done ??

good to read everyone's takes, and appreciate the thoroughness/lengths that some peoples go to in breaking things down....

my personal take is no way would I put myself on the line w/Bosa for any longer than his current contract.... that is risky biz, as his production and availability are growing variables.

ditto for Mack, as he has done wonders for us in the absence of Bosa, and it would be amazing if he duplicated what he did for us this season next year, and.... dude has an admirable injury history, and nothing to take chances with.... he'll be fine when his contract time comes up again, albeit we won't be resigning everyone given the balloon that is Herbert's contract to be.

Keenan is not overpaid, nor is he someone that I am eyeing to let go anytime too soon, and.... just disagree w/MW, as personal opinion is that he is overpaid, and given that he is not a WR1, would be very cautious about resigning him for a similar contract, as even tho yes, he may be in his prime, don't think he is worth his cap hit, and he might well be a Herbert casualty as well when that contract gets done.

and as am not much of a student of the cap, will give things the benefit of the doubt w/Linsley, albeit am not in the cut Feiler camp, as hope there is an opportunity for a restructure there ??

and not against extending the either of Ek nor Mike D., just don't want to overpay, nor preclude us from getting an RB1....

am also not in favor of resigning Tranquill, and would question resigning Pips @$10m, 'specially given we have Salyer/Feiler available there if need be.

Bosa, Williams, Mack are all signed to 3-4 more years. Allen will be in his last year and will cost $21M to retain him with his current contract. I expect Allen's contract to
be restructured or he'll take a salary cut. I believe we will retain him but not at $21M. I expect some of the aforementioned contracts will be restructured which would
potentially leave dead cap money down the road since both Bosa and Mack are getting on in age and won't last at a high level for that long. We could even entertain
trade talks for Bosa, but I doubt that happens. At any rate some changes at the top of the cap will have to be made in order to sign Herbert, whose contract is
likely to be huge.

[gzubeck]

luck is the residue of design (Branch Rickey).... for those that claim that team Tommy John has just gotten lucky, or that these players have just fallen in their laps.... think it's more a matter of design, by the NFL. the draft is designed to give teams w/fewer number of wins, the higher draft choice. we finished 4-12 in 2015, and 5-11 in both 2016 and 2019. in 2018 we made it to 12 wins. my guess is that we might match that total again next season.... then what ?? do we drop back down to where we were, or do team Tommy John magickally discover how to draft better and not overpay for FAs, and possibly learn how to stockpile picks, rather than just the status quo of 7/draft ??

and I know there were 8 million reasons not to let Brandon go, and.... not sure that was the right/best decision, and ditto for Tommy T., as he has shown that he is extremely flexible and willing and able to work w/most anyone, and perhaps the most likeable guy in the org, and.... not sure his time isn't up as well ??

and now that our string of high draft picks has subsided, is year 11 the year that Tom has things sorted ?? has young John finally gained the Midas touch in football ops ?? are we going to rise above very avg in evaluating talent in both the draft and in FA ?? can we sustain any type of success, rather than the ebb and flow as our record might dictate ?? or do we continue to have fodder here on the tPBs 'til the cows come home, to share of our how to and how it shoulda, coulda, woulda better been done ??

good to read everyone's takes, and appreciate the thoroughness/lengths that some peoples go to in breaking things down....

my personal take is no way would I put myself on the line w/Bosa for any longer than his current contract.... that is risky biz, as his production and availability are growing variables.

ditto for Mack, as he has done wonders for us in the absence of Bosa, and it would be amazing if he duplicated what he did for us this season next year, and.... dude has an admirable injury history, and nothing to take chances with.... he'll be fine when his contract time comes up again, albeit we won't be resigning everyone given the balloon that is Herbert's contract to be.

Keenan is not overpaid, nor is he someone that I am eyeing to let go anytime too soon, and.... just disagree w/MW, as personal opinion is that he is overpaid, and given that he is not a WR1, would be very cautious about resigning him for a similar contract, as even tho yes, he may be in his prime, don't think he is worth his cap hit, and he might well be a Herbert casualty as well when that contract gets done.

and as am not much of a student of the cap, will give things the benefit of the doubt w/Linsley, albeit am not in the cut Feiler camp, as hope there is an opportunity for a restructure there ??

and not against extending the either of Ek nor Mike D., just don't want to overpay, nor preclude us from getting an RB1....

am also not in favor of resigning Tranquill, and would question resigning Pips @$10m, 'specially given we have Salyer/Feiler available there if need be.

Completely disagree 180 degrees. Keenan is quality chain mover that helps keep drives going and is NOT worth $20 mil per year going forward. Mike may not be worth $20 mil per year after his initial contract but I would pay him maybe $15 mil per year every day of the week. It's really going to be on Bosa and Mack whether they want to continue being a Charger or not after next season. Flexibilty and fair pay rate going forward.

:wtf:

[WindsorUK]

Is the NFL like the NBA, in that current team can outbid any other team?
If JH hits the market, with this ownership( and their utter incompetence) I'm wondering if JH just might listen to other offers?

[gzubeck]

Is the NFL like the NBA, in that current team can outbid any other team?
If JH hits the market, with this ownership( and their utter incompetence) I'm wondering if JH just might listen to other offers?

He might not see it that way. He was and other players on offense were seriously injured this season. I think if we continue screwing up on offensive management anything is possible if we cannot get a long term contract agreed upon.

[Bolt4Knob]

Is the NFL like the NBA, in that current team can outbid any other team?
If JH hits the market, with this ownership( and their utter incompetence) I'm wondering if JH just might listen to other offers?

Herbert going into his 4th year
team will pick up 5th year option at like 30m or so

6th year - franchise tag
unless the Bolts choose to trade him - not going anywhere

[dmac_bolt]

A few R1 mocks I’ve read have LAC taking

- Darnell Washington - TE - UGA
- Lucas Van Ness - Edge - Iowa
- Michael Mayor - TE - Norte Dame
- Brian Branch - S - ‘Bama
- Mazi Smith - DT - Michigan
- Jordon Addison - WR USC
- Olu Fashano - DT Penn St
- Anton Harrison - OT Oklahoma