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[gzubeck]

It's $22 million of dead cap if you cut him this year.
If you look more closely at the 2025 portion of his contract, you'll see only $7.6 million of dead cap. That's because the previous signing bonus was not extrapolated out to 2025. Kind of odd, don't you think? It's almost as if the contract was designed to be restructured... Now if he's hurt again this season (after shifting $7 million to 2025)... then you can cut him with $14 million of it being dead in 2025 (after restructure). Hurts a lot less if you wait a year (a year where you have substantially more cap room anyways).
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/joey-bosa-18951/#:~:text=Current%20Contract,average%20annual%20sal ary%20of%20%2427%2C000%2C000.

The contract was written with a restructure in mind. Follow the numbers on the Bosa and Mack contracts.
Add in the fact that Mack was a Staley request... and Staley is gone...
Makes me wonder.

So you want to get rid of the only thing Staley did right? Keep Mack with a restructure and just trade Bosa for whatever you can get. Some team out there will want to roll the dice on Bosas $14 mil cost for this season. He has value and his wear and tear is minimal for two seasons. I just think he's played out here in the eyes of the fans. If he stays it's simply part of our 4 man rotation. I would not think of him as dominant threat anymore due to his injury history.

[Bolt4Knob]

It's $22 million of dead cap if you cut him this year.
If you look more closely at the 2025 portion of his contract, you'll see only $7.6 million of dead cap. That's because the previous signing bonus was not extrapolated out to 2025. Kind of odd, don't you think? It's almost as if the contract was designed to be restructured... Now if he's hurt again this season (after shifting $7 million to 2025)... then you can cut him with $14 million of it being dead in 2025 (after restructure). Hurts a lot less if you wait a year (a year where you have substantially more cap room anyways).
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/joey-bosa-18951/#:~:text=Current%20Contract,average%20annual%20sal ary%20of%20%2427%2C000%2C000.

The contract was written with a restructure in mind. Follow the numbers on the Bosa and Mack contracts.
Add in the fact that Mack was a Staley request... and Staley is gone...
Makes me wonder.

So you truly want to pay Joey Bosa all of his $22m? Just allocating some of it to the future

I am still just cutting him - taking the dead cap hit and spending that 22m on other players who will help the team more.

[Bolt4Knob]

So you want to get rid of the only thing Staley did right? Keep Mack with a restructure and just trade Bosa for whatever you can get. Some team out there will want to roll the dice on Bosas $14 mil cost for this season. He has value and his wear and tear is minimal for two seasons. I just think he's played out here in the eyes of the fans. If he stays it's simply part of our 4 man rotation. I would not think of him as dominant threat anymore due to his injury history.

Joey Bosas cost for the season for the team trading for him, as of today would be 22mn - that 14m is not correct. They would trade for him and reduce that in all likelihood.

[Go Chargers go]

Mack had 2 of his best years here and is only going into his 11season. He has at least two year left.

[gzubeck]

Joey Bosas cost for the season for the team trading for him, as of today would be 22mn - that 14m is not correct. They would trade for him and reduce that in all likelihood.

Why? he could just refuse and wait to be cut and get that $22 mil. Then he can sign with anyone he wants.

[gzubeck]

Joey Bosas cost for the season for the team trading for him, as of today would be 22mn - that 14m is not correct. They would trade for him and reduce that in all likelihood.

So we only have to pay $14 mill but the dead cap is $22 mil. I'm not sure how this works? If we wait past a certain date it will only cost our cap $14 mil? If so just cut him.

[Bolt4Knob]

Why? he could just refuse and wait to be cut and get that $22 mil. Then he can sign with anyone he wants.

None of that 22m is guaranteed. $7m is a bonus due on the 3rd day of the league year; the other $15m is his salary for the season

If he is released, the Chargers do not owe him any more money. Just dead cap money of $22m spread over the 2024 and 2025 seasons.

Williams, Allen and Mack all have simialr deals - bonuses due by the third day of the league year but nothing guaranteed

[gzubeck]

None of that 22m is guaranteed. $7m is a bonus due on the 3rd day of the league year; the other $15m is his salary for the season

If he is released, the Chargers do not owe him any more money. Just dead cap money of $22m spread over the 2024 and 2025 seasons.

Williams, Allen and Mack all have simialr deals - bonuses due by the third day of the league year but nothing guaranteed

I guess I'm more worried about dead cap money for any particular season as this seems the limiting factor in what we can and cannot do.

[Boltnut]

Joey Bosas cost for the season for the team trading for him, as of today would be 22mn - that 14m is not correct. They would trade for him and reduce that in all likelihood.

No. That $22+ million is what we pay... whether traded or cut. $7 million (2024 signing) + $7.611 million (2024 restructure) + $7.611 million (2025 restructure).

The team that trades for him gets to accept the terms as they are ($22 mil base + roster in 2024 and $24.6 base + roster in 2025)... or they can renegotiate the terms (both base and length).

With us eating the $22+ million pre-maturely... Bosa might consider giving his new team a deal on base. Then again, he has no obligation to give anyone (Chargers or another team) a deal... and take less than what he thinks he's worth.

[Bolt4Knob]

No. That $22+ million is what we pay... whether traded or cut. $7 million (2024 signing) + $7.611 million (2024 restructure) + $7.611 million (2025 restructure).

The team that trades for him gets to accept the terms as they are ($22 mil base + roster in 2024 and $24.6 base + roster in 2025)... or they can renegotiate the terms (both base and length).

With us eating the $22+ million pre-maturely... Bosa might consider giving his new team a deal on base. Then again, he has no obligation to give anyone (Chargers or another team) a deal... and take less than what he thinks he's worth.

I just know I am moving on without the guy
taking the dead cap hit of $22m and he can go find employment elsewhere.

As for having no obligation - if he is released - he is not owed a penny by any team so will have to find a new contract. That contract goes poof if he is released. He doesn't sign with another team getting $22m - he starts from ZERO. If a team trades for Joey Bosa and pays his $22m salary for the 2024 without renegotiating the contract - more power and good for them

[Boltnut]

I just know I am moving on without the guy
taking the dead cap hit of $22m and he can go find employment elsewhere.

As for having no obligation - if he is released - he is not owed a penny by any team so will have to find a new contract. That contract goes poof if he is released. He doesn't sign with another team getting $22m - he starts from ZERO. If a team trades for Joey Bosa and pays his $22m salary for the 2024 without renegotiating the contract - more power and good for them

Two years ago, someone convinced/ordered Ed McGuire to break his sworn oath... to keep contracts reasonable. Somehow, he gave in... but the compromise was that certain contracts had poison pills in them (see Mack's contract)... On the other hand, certain contracts (Bosa and Keenan) had space built into them. 2 years ago, I doubt Ed McGuire gave a Flying-F what fans would think of his carefully constructed contracts.

Neither Mack nor Bosa have any obligation to the Chargers to re-do contracts to the club's liking. The Chargers should ask nicely, "Mr. Bosa, may we please shift $7 million of your guaranteed re-structure from 2024 to 2025...?" "We're trying to build a better roster this next year..."

[Bolt4Knob]

Two years ago, someone convinced/ordered Ed McGuire to break his sworn oath... to keep contracts reasonable. Somehow, he gave in... but the compromise was that certain contracts had poison pills in them (see Mack's contract)... On the other hand, certain contracts (Bosa and Keenan) had space built into them. 2 years ago, I doubt Ed McGuire gave a Flying-F what fans would think of his carefully constructed contracts.

Neither Mack nor Bosa have any obligation to the Chargers to re-do contracts to the club's liking. The Chargers should ask nicely, "Mr. Bosa, may we please shift $7 million of your guaranteed re-structure from 2024 to 2025...?" "We're trying to build a better roster this next year..."

First thing, Bosa is not guaranteed a penny for 2024. (Neither is Mack Williams or Allen - you keep missing that point!) The Chargers can release all four of them and save 23+22+23+20 = $87m cash --plus that much against the cap. Chargers can say "eff it" - we don't care if we get a comp pick or trade the player. They can just say hey we are getting 87m of cap space and move forward

If you think the players have any real leverage - they don't. As for the plan you suggest for Bosa -- Of course bosa will say yes to that if he gets his total $22m. EVERY player would if they know they aren't taking a pay cut. The Chargers do not even have to ask Bosa to push the money - it is automatically written into the contract. But you also said you don't think Bosa is worth $22m - so why are you paying him $22m

Its when you ask them to take a pay cut - that you have to ask