Former OC Kellen Moore - Discussion

[sonorajim]

We averaged 27.3 in 2021 during Herbert's 2nd season. We'll probably get to 28-30 which is top tier.

Defensively we gave up 28 per game. Staley needs to ensure that defense is fixed.

Defensively we allowed 22.6 ppg.in 2022. Chi was #32 with 27.2. KC was #17 with 21.7 ppg.
We do need to, and should be avg or better. Close to a lock with good health and changes already made.

[ghost]

Kellen Moore has a beautiful mind when it comes to football. He rode his own meager physical skills to an inconceivable 50-3 won-loss record at Boise State, principally because he saw the game so naturally yet uniquely. Physically, he had no business in the NFL as a player, but there he was...purely for his mind. Then as a twenty-something he began his real calling, repeatedly coaching Dallas offenses to top rankings and big successes. Dude is a football Mentat. Born and bred to be an offensive coordinator, and it's something he's cultivated, literally, since grade school. His genes gifted him with near supernatural ability to see the game, but he's also perpetually plowed the fields of discovery with the fervency of a Mennonite farmer.

But...but...but...

Don't expect this guy to make roster demands from the GM or assert himself as a coordinator, nor to ultimately rise in the coaching ranks. It's just not his nature. Intellect and personality are two very different things.

Moore seems petrified by a microphone, and intimidated by a direct question. The spotlight sends him spinning. Is he going to pound his fist for a player he needs? C'mon now. I cannot imagine him giving a stirring speech to a team, or confronting a troublesome player. He absolutely is not head coach material, IMO. If he can see himself as clearly as he sees a football field, he will understand that his destiny is to stay as offensive coordinator, join up with Herbert and Staley and lead the Chargers to multiple Super Bowl titles.

We should hope, with his IQ and vision, for himself and for the Bolt...he can latch onto that. Go Kellen. Go Herbert. Go Staley. And above all: Go Chargers.

Giving incredibly boring soundbites in no way affects his personality enough to stop him from being head coach at the level of his choosing. His father is Prosser Mustang football. Kellen is building his own thing.

[Velo]

Giving incredibly boring soundbites in no way affects his personality enough to stop him from being head coach at the level of his choosing. His father is Prosser Mustang football. Kellen is building his own thing.

My biggest concern re Moore is that if Herbert and the Chargers' offense have a great year, he will be offered a HC job. It'd be nice to have him for at least two seasons. But the more successful he is the faster he is going to gone.

[sonorajim]

My biggest concern re Moore is that if Herbert and the Chargers' offense have a great year, he will be offered a HC job. It'd be nice to have him for at least two seasons. But the more successful he is the faster he is going to gone.

Probably. I don't believe he'll jump ship after one year. Two or mire great years the odds go up.

[ghost]

My biggest concern re Moore is that if Herbert and the Chargers' offense have a great year, he will be offered a HC job. It'd be nice to have him for at least two seasons. But the more successful he is the faster he is going to gone.

A). One and done. B). Assistant head coach title and raise. C). Head coach offer in Los Angeles.

These are Dean's choices in 5 months.

[sonorajim]

A). One and done. B). Assistant head coach title and raise. C). Head coach offer in Los Angeles.

These are Dean's choices in 5 months.

A or preferably B. Strongly doubt C will be under consideration.

[AK47]

Defensively we allowed 22.6 ppg.in 2022. Chi was #32 with 27.2. KC was #17 with 21.7 ppg.
We do need to, and should be avg or better. Close to a lock with good health and changes already made.

Thanks for the correction.

Of our 7 regular season losses and 1 playoff loss......All but 1 game we gave up 27 or more points. Our losses against other AFC teams they've scored 27+ point on us.

Our defensive average is decent but in games which really mattered it broke.

[Velo]

Probably. I don't believe he'll jump ship after one year. Two or mire great years the odds go up.

A). One and done. B). Assistant head coach title and raise. C). Head coach offer in Los Angeles.

These are Dean's choices in 5 months.

If Herbert is a top 3 QB, if the Chargers are a top 3 offense, and the team goes deep into the playoffs I don't see how Moore is not a top HC candidate in 2024, especially teams that are looking to develop a young QB, or even a team with an established QB who is underperforming under a HC coach who came from the defense. Look at the candidates.

Buffalo - if Allen regresses again this season they may want to move on from McDermott and try to recapture the magic Allen had with Daboll. Moore would be a perfect HC for that.

Rams - if they suck again and McVay decides to retire - both very possible scenarios - they will be probably looking for a QB in the draft and who better to be his head coach.

Patriots - if they finish last in their division and Belichick retires or is forced to by Kraft, Moore would be an attractive candidate to pair with Mac Jones or a possibly a new QB in 2024.

Browns - if Stefanski can't get it done with Watson, they may look for a new HC, though I would strongly advise Moore to decline to even interview for this job.

Commanders - if Rivera finishes under .500 how patient will new ownership be? He is a defensive coach with a young QB in Howell, or if they are bad enough they maybe in position to draft a QB next year and want a QB guru to be his coach.

I could also see the Bears, Bucs, Texans and yes even the Jets (if the Aaron Rodgers experience doesn't go well) eyeing Moore lustily to fix their offenses.

If....Herbert wins MVP and the Chargers lead the league in offense, but the defense still sucks and holds the team back from getting over the hump, I would hope Telesco and the Spanoses decide to send BS packing and make Moore HC. Even if Moore were being courted by other teams as a HC candidate, I would assume he would want to stay with Herbert and this offense.

[ghost]

If Herbert is a top 3 QB, if the Chargers are a top 3 offense, and the team goes deep into the playoffs I don't see how Moore is not a top HC candidate in 2024, especially teams that are looking to develop a young QB, or even a team with an established QB who is underperforming under a HC coach who came from the defense. Look at the candidates.

Buffalo - if Allen regresses again this season they may want to move on from McDermott and try to recapture the magic Allen had with Daboll. Moore would be a perfect HC for that.

Rams - if they suck again and McVay decides to retire - both very possible scenarios - they will be probably looking for a QB in the draft and who better to be his head coach.

Patriots - if they finish last in their division and Belichick retires or is forced to by Kraft, Moore would be an attractive candidate to pair with Mac Jones or a possibly a new QB in 2024.

Browns - if Stefanski can't get it done with Watson, they may look for a new HC, though I would strongly advise Moore to decline to even interview for this job.

Commanders - if Rivera finishes under .500 how patient will new ownership be? He is a defensive coach with a young QB in Howell, or if they are bad enough they maybe in position to draft a QB next year and want a QB guru to be his coach.

I could also see the Bears, Bucs, Texans and yes even the Jets (if the Aaron Rodgers experience doesn't go well) eyeing Moore lustily to fix their offenses.

If....Herbert wins MVP and the Chargers lead the league in offense, but the defense still sucks and holds the team back from getting over the hump, I would hope Telesco and the Spanoses decide to send BS packing and make Moore HC. Even if Moore were being courted by other teams as a HC candidate, I would assume he would want to stay with Herbert and this offense.

Thank you for crystallizing the point that Kellen Moore is more important to Justin Herbert's success than Brandon Staley. No post I've read has made it clearer to me than yours, as I don't hold with arguments against Moore as a head coach. Next Sean McVay IMO. I think he's found his muse in Herbert. Like Holmgren-Favre, Coryell-Fouts, type muse.

[dmac_bolt]

I have no idea if Moore has the personality to be HC. I don’t know him, haven’t seen enough to do that armchair analysis. I do think pure X/O is not the key to being a HC, they are different jobs.

[Velo]

I have no idea if Moore has the personality to be HC. I don’t know him, haven’t seen enough to do that armchair analysis. I do think pure X/O is not the key to being a HC, they are different jobs.

We don't even know yet how well Moore will do as Herbert's OC. All we can do is make educated guesses until the season starts seven days from now.

But one thing we do know about Moore related to his skillset to be a head coach is that the most successful head coaches in the game today are offensive coaches.

[dmac_bolt]

We don't even know yet how well Moore will do as Herbert's OC. All we can do is make educated guesses until the season starts seven days from now.

But one thing we do know about Moore related to his skillset to be a head coach is that the most successful head coaches in the game today are offensive coaches.

Good guess but I’m not sure that says anything specific about Moore either.