Thoughts On Cutting Keenan Allen?

[jamrock]

Chris Jones fired up the Chefs...who is our Chris Jones?

It’s supposed to be Derwin James

[jamrock]

Agree with your points.

But you also absolutely need an assassin at QB, especially one who doesn't miss 2 wide open TDs in a playoff game.

I also don't think you necessarily need the #1 ranked rushing attack. You just need to be able to run...when you want to...and when it matters.

The Chiefs showed me something when they opened up the 3rd quarter running the ball and doing it effectively. I didn’t think they had it in them to out rush Philly but they’ve gained confidence in Pacheco and their defense shut everyone but Hurts down.

[jamrock]

I see 20 EDGE players in this draft.
There are WRs Herbert can create production with, let alone TEs and RBs.
It is a business decision, step by step.
Who were the leaders tonight ?
Mahomes and Chris Jones.
Everyone else was pretty much new and tagging along.
A short sighted pep talk does not serve us well in '24 and beyond.

Mahomes is now in rarefied air up there with Brady and Montana as the only QBs with 2 Super Bowl wins, 2 NFL MVPs and 2 Super Bowl MVPs.

[Boltjolt]

People on here seem to think finding a pass-rusher of Bosa's caliber is so easy.

I don't think anybody said that. But you can draft an edge rusher who can be productive and won't miss 4 to 12 games a year. I do think finding an edge as a rookie to be real productive right away is tough to do. But at some time during the season the light can come on.

Merriman had 10 sacks as a rookie and didn't start his first 4 games.

[DerwinBosa]

I don't think anybody said that. But you can draft an edge rusher who can be productive and won't miss 4 to 12 games a year. I do think finding an edge as a rookie to be real productive right away is tough to do. But at some time during the season the light can come on.

Merriman had 10 sacks as a rookie and didn't start his first 4 games.

You can much more easily find a wide receiver who can average about 11 yards a reception when he's not missing 23 games in two seasons (Keenan Allen in 2015 and 2016). That's why this whole worrying about the possibility of losing a soon-to-be 31-year-old wide receiver and saying "Let's trade Bosa for the 20th pick in first round or even a high second-rounder instead" makes no sense.

If you can guarantee me that Bosa will never be able to play close to a full season again and we can get a pass-rusher possessing talents anywhere between a Frank Clark and Micah Parsons with Seattle's 20th pick or a second-rounder I will gladly say goodbye to Bosa. You can't, though, because it's just as likely we will ultimately trade Bosa for a Jerry Tillery or Kenneth Murray under those circumstances.

[blueman]

You can much more easily find a wide receiver who can average about 11 yards a reception when he's not missing 23 games in two seasons (Keenan Allen in 2015 and 2016). That's why this whole worrying about the possibility of losing a soon-to-be 31-year-old wide receiver and saying "Let's trade Bosa for the 20th pick in first round or even a high second-rounder instead" makes no sense.

If you can guarantee me that Bosa will never be able to play close to a full season again and we can get a pass-rusher possessing talents anywhere between a Frank Clark and Micah Parsons with Seattle's 20th pick or a second-rounder I will gladly say goodbye to Bosa. You can't, though, because it's just as likely we will ultimately trade Bosa for a Jerry Tillery or Kenneth Murray under those circumstances.

Hmmm, that’s like saying Allen will never play a full season and produce at the clip he’s been producing at. Tomato, tomahto.

[DerwinBosa]

Hmmm, that’s like saying Allen will never play a full season and produce at the clip he’s been producing at. Tomato, tomahto.

The bigger point is Allen has averaged 9.9, 10.7, and 11.4 yards a reception and six touchdowns a season in the three years he's been with Herbert.Allen had three years with Rivers in which he averaged more than 12 yards a reception. For most of his career he's been around 10-12 yards a reception.

Will Herbert miss Allen if he goes? Probably. Will he adjust and do just as well by replacing that production with a first-round pick wide receiver or Joshua Palmer and a mid-round pick? Probably. It's not much different than when Brady lost Wes Welker and the Patriots planned to replace him with Danny Amendola and Julian Edelman, which eventually led to Edelman taking over the role and the Patriots winning three Super Bowls between 2014 and 2018--after not winning any with Welker.

[Boltjolt]

You can much more easily find a wide receiver who can average about 11 yards a reception when he's not missing 23 games in two seasons (Keenan Allen in 2015 and 2016). That's why this whole worrying about the possibility of losing a soon-to-be 31-year-old wide receiver and saying "Let's trade Bosa for the 20th pick in first round or even a high second-rounder instead" makes no sense.

If you can guarantee me that Bosa will never be able to play close to a full season again and we can get a pass-rusher possessing talents anywhere between a Frank Clark and Micah Parsons with Seattle's 20th pick or a second-rounder I will gladly say goodbye to Bosa. You can't, though, because it's just as likely we will ultimately trade Bosa for a Jerry Tillery or Kenneth Murray under those circumstances.

Nothing is guaranteed. Paying Bosa 31 mil next year and hoping he plays more than 5 games isn't guaranteed.
We'll see what they come up with but the front office needs to be better.

The Chiefs had 2 rookies and a mid season trade score TDs in the SB win for them tonight.

[DerwinBosa]

Nothing is guaranteed. Paying Bosa 31 mil next year and hoping he plays more than 5 games isn't guaranteed.
We'll see what they come up with but the front office needs to be better.

The Chiefs had 2 rookies and a mid season trade score TDs in the SB win for them tonight.

What it comes down is what's more likely? I'll take my chances with Bosa over the 20th pick or a second-rounder in this April's draft. I also think Pete Carroll would have Telesco on his Christmas card list for eternity if we gave him Bosa after he had Uchenna Nwosu produce a by far career-high 9.5 sacks last season.

[Boltjolt]

What it comes down is what's more likely? I'll take my chances with Bosa over the 20th pick or a second-rounder in this April's draft. I also think Pete Carroll would have Telesco on his Christmas card list for eternity if we gave him Bosa after he had Uchenna Nwosu produce a by far career-high 9.5 sacks last season.

I hear ya buts that's roughly a 28 million dollar cap space gamble( between Bosa cap and the 21st pick cap) You could win or you could lose( if he gets hurt again for any length of time) and this draft class is deep at Edge. I am anxious to see what they do here.

Myself i dont sweat letting Uchenna go. He didn't produce well for us and 10 mil a year is steep for hope. Good for him, maybe that was the fire under his ass he needed.

Being a GM isn't easy but it's easy to play the game of it after the fact.

[SuperCharged]

I just wish players would swallow their pride and restructure to help the TEAM. The greed in pro sports today is pretty sickening. They don't care about the team. It's all about getting paid.

[wu-dai clan]

What it comes down is what's more likely? I'll take my chances with Bosa over the 20th pick or a second-rounder in this April's draft. I also think Pete Carroll would have Telesco on his Christmas card list for eternity if we gave him Bosa after he had Uchenna Nwosu produce a by far career-high 9.5 sacks last season.

You are not framing the argument in a manner that is most useful.

TT/Staley MUST have a philosophical discussion about roster building and about culture.

Are we better served with elite, expensive bookends at EDGE (and WR for that matter), or are we better off having talent across the board, with weaknesses that are few or none ?

This draft is very deep at EDGE and DB, the positions that Derwin and Bosa play.

This off season we have an opportunity to upgrade at the vital positions of RB and TE.

Sure, Joey can train and have a monster 2023 season. Alternatively, Kelce was able to get separation from the supremely athletic Derwin at crucial junctures.

There is a whole lot to get just right. After a long season, the Super Bowl was a three point game.