Telesco Needs To Be Relieved Of Duties..

[powderblueboy]

I think we can all look at s******** Telesco made and said - sure he made a good pick here or there

But to me its two things, make it three
1) overall record is well under .500 in his 9th year
2) ZERO division titles
3) KC still dominating the division and the Chargers are closer to the Raiders and Broncos than the Chiefs.

It will not necessarily be a bad thing if the Chargers fail to make the playoffs.
We've seen how Telesco and the organization become complacent the following offseason with any measure of success.

Worshiping cap space, throwing away draft picks, and bringing in ancient, soon to be over-the-hill football players to plug gaps is their M.O. under such circumstances.

[Bolt4Knob]

It will not necessarily be a bad thing if the Chargers fail to make the playoffs.
We've seen how Telesco and the organization become complacent the following offseason with any measure of success.

Worshiping cap space, throwing away draft picks, and bringing in ancient, soon to be over-the-hill football players to plug gaps is their M.O. under such circumstances.

Worshipping cap space - thats on Dean Spanos. He doesn't have the cash flow to be a big time player in pushing cap like the Rams can or even it seems the Saints and Chiefs.

But yes - Telesco and this offseason need to stop the idea of signing over the hill players and get younger. No more Thomas Davis, Linval Joseph, Chris Harris types as your "primary" players in free agency. Sure on Day 3 or 4 for one year contracts

But Day 1 - players need to be under well under 30, little or no history of injuries . Its going to cost money - but if you have a good scouting department and good coaches, - you can find players to fit your scheme

[powderblueboy]

Telesco isn't going anywhere; getting angry is futile. Bosa, James, Herbert and Slater are in the Pro Bowl. That's four of TT's past six first round picks, three of his last four, his last two. Slater made the Pro Bowl as a rookie. I'm not defending TT, just stating reality. He is going to get a raise and an extension and and sit back fat and happy with a $100 cigar and watch the playoffs while youse all complain. It's better to accept the things you can't change and hope that TT can do better in the future filling out the roster with better depth.

I only give him credit for the Herbert s********.
Everyone here would have selected James/Slater,
and he had his choice of Bosa, Ramsey, Stanley or Buckner in 2016.....hard to screw that up.

Choosing Hunter Henry over Chris Jones (who i thought at the time would be as good as Bosa) is a better indicator of his success.

[Boltjolt]

I think we can all look at s******** Telesco made and said - sure he made a good pick here or there

But to me its two things, make it three
1) overall record is well under .500 in his 9th year
2) ZERO division titles
3) KC still dominating the division and the Chargers are closer to the Raiders and Broncos than the Chiefs.

Sure but we werent talking about that. I was responding to something completely different who said ANY GM would have made those picks and they don't count for Telesco.
TT has other areas he hasnt been strong in which IMO is not making key trades, not trading down to aquire more picks when it might be the best move(Tillery) or trading a player that isnt working out for us. He just recently has figured out the comp pick game.

Now maybe nobody has aquired about our players but you cant tell me he couldnt have got something for Ingram the season before his last here and i think he can get something for Tillery. Im not expecting a 2nd round pick as that isnt realistic but a 4th id take.

Hell maybe Gus would want him and if so id ask for Divine Deablo in return. Maybe Lynn would want him....im sure some body would want him. He hasnt been good in run defense for us but his stats are not terrible. He has 3.5 sacks.. He just isnt stout against the run and is a liability there for us.

[Bolt4Knob]

Sure but we werent talking about that. I was responding to something completely different who said ANY GM would have made those picks and they don't count for Telesco.
TT has other areas he hasnt been strong in which IMO is not making key trades, not trading down to aquire more picks when it might be the best move(Tillery) or trading a player that isnt working out for us. He just recently has figured out the comp pick game.

Now maybe nobody has aquired about our players but you cant tell me he couldnt have got something for Ingram the season before his last here and i think he can get something for Tillery. Im not expecting a 2nd round pick as that isnt realistic but a 4th id take.

Hell maybe Gus would want him and if so id ask for Divine Deablo in return. Maybe Lynn would want him....im sure some body would want him. He hasnt been good in run defense for us but his stats are not terrible. He has 3.5 sacks. He just isnt stout against the run and is a liability there for us.

Sorry - thanks for clarifying. And you hit the nail on the head of why I think he needs to be let go. He is just not good at evaluating talent and roster building. Examples

1) trading: I cannot ever recall him trading back in the draft for more picks - but he has traded up four times and so far the results are not good. Why not trade back and see if you can get more picks so you have more chances. Its like he falls in love with certain players and has to have those players.

2) TE this offseason: rumors were that Ertz was on the market, he kept the pick and signed Cook. Ertz probably costs them a 4th round pick but when I have seen Ertz play, he has been better than Cook. So Telesco chose the draft pick. But Zach Ertz might have been a better player. Thats pure scouting and evaluating a player.

3) roster depth: Special teams are consistently bad - he let a guy like Adrian Phillips go and Phillips makes 3m per year and special teams, though better, still subpar overall.

[Boltjolt]

It will not necessarily be a bad thing if the Chargers fail to make the playoffs.
We've seen how Telesco and the organization become complacent the following offseason with any measure of success.

Worshiping cap space, throwing away draft picks, and bringing in ancient, soon to be over-the-hill football players to plug gaps is their M.O. under such circumstances.

Except to fuel the fire for TT haters lol. Make the playoffs and at least they will have to dance around that.

Team just needs better depth and a few key areas upgraded.

[powderblueboy]

Except to fuel the fire for TT haters lol. Make the playoffs and at least they will have to dance around that.

Team just needs better depth and a few key areas upgraded.

They don't need anymore prompting: their fuel tank is on full.
A decisive playoff loss against New England in Foxboro will be duck for the covers time.:coffee:

[powderblueboy]

Worshipping cap space - thats on Dean Spanos. He doesn't have the cash flow to be a big time player in pushing cap like the Rams can or even it seems the Saints and Chiefs.

But yes - Telesco and this offseason need to stop the idea of signing over the hill players and get younger. No more Thomas Davis, Linval Joseph, Chris Harris types as your "primary" players in free agency. Sure on Day 3 or 4 for one year contracts

But Day 1 - players need to be under well under 30, little or no history of injuries . Its going to cost money - but if you have a good scouting department and good coaches, - you can find players to fit your scheme

And no more drafts with
I. Golden Domers
II. Division 3 players
III. local southern California schools
just because you believe that you have a close personal connection with the school, or that the player has performed well enough in the East-West Shrine game.

Last draft: Slater, Samuel, Palmer, McKitty, Rumph, Jaimes, Nieman, Roundtree, Webb (avoided those labels).

[Bolt4Knob]

And no more drafts with
I. Golden Domers
II. Division 3 players
III. local southern California schools
just because you believe that you have a close personal connection with the school, or that the player has performed well enough in the East-West Shrine game.

Last draft: Slater, Samuel, Palmer, McKitty, Rumph, Jaimes, Nieman, Roundtree, Webb (avoided those labels).

I just am not sure Telesco is able to look at a player on tape and project how he will do at the pro level as well as say other GMs. A guy may look good on tape but scheme wise, athleticism - how will they be used by the Chargers

Te'O. Attauocho and Murray are players he traded up for. Tuerk, Perry and Watt just didn't cut it very long at all.
Magers and Pipkins were reaches
Easton Stick - well he Easton STick

[Tol]

I'm not trying to defend Telesco, however I would note the following...

1) Trading Back: You have to have a dance partner. If no one wants to give you anything close to what you want, you have to stay put. I don't know what's said in those phone calls or the quality of any trade offers or counters. Neither does anyone else here.

2) Signing Free Agents: Some of his FA signings have been bad. Some have been great. What we don't know is how many free agents don't want to play for the Chargers. And you can't sign great players if they simply aren't interested. Maybe it's the organization as a whole, maybe it's state taxes, or maybe there's just better teams out there with better offers.

3) Slater, Herbert, Bosa: Anyone would have taken them? I see this a lot, but it's not true. When DJ first had Slater over Sewell, people thought he was nuts, me included. There was debate on Slater vs Darrisaw. There was talk of taking Caleb Farley, the next Ramsey. People wanted to trade up for Sewell. How would we feel if that happened? Before Herbert was drafted, there was a lot of talk about getting Isaiah Simmons or a left tackle in the first. Before Bosa was drafted, there was talk about drafting Buckner. Even Jason Verrett came out in favor of drafting DeForest Buckner. Man up and give credit where credit it due.

Most of his 1st overall picks have been great. After that he's average at best. His overall record and zero division titles are the best arguments for his firing.

I don't think he's gone after the season, so I'm hoping that after nine years he's learned enough lessons and figured his shit out, so that we might actually have one of the better GM's in the league.

[Bolt4Knob]

I'm not trying to defend Telesco, however I would note the following...

1) Trading Back: You have to have a dance partner. If no one wants to give you anything close to what you want, you have to stay put. I don't know what's said in those phone calls or the quality of any trade offers or counters. Neither does anyone else here.

2) Signing Free Agents: Some of his FA signings have been bad. Some have been great. What we don't know is how many free agents don't want to play for the Chargers. And you can't sign great players if they simply aren't interested. Maybe it's the organization as a whole, maybe it's state taxes, or maybe there's just better teams out there with better offers.

3) Slater, Herbert, Bosa: Anyone would have taken them? I see this a lot, but it's not true. When DJ first had Slater over Sewell, people thought he was nuts, me included. There was debate on Slater vs Darrisaw. There was talk of taking Caleb Farley, the next Ramsey. People wanted to trade up for Sewell. How would we feel if that happened? Before Herbert was drafted, there was a lot of talk about getting Isaiah Simmons or a left tackle in the first. Before Bosa was drafted, there was talk about drafting Buckner. Even Jason Verrett came out in favor of drafting DeForest Buckner. Man up and give credit where credit it due.

Most of his 1st overall picks have been great. After that he's average at best. His overall record and zero division titles are the best arguments for his firing.

I don't think he's gone after the season, so I'm hoping that after nine years he's learned enough lessons and figured his shit out, so that we might actually have one of the better GM's in the league.

And that should be the reason he is kept or fired. How you build the team - can be a myriad of ways. But in his tenure: overall losing record and one year they were close to a division title. One year.

And to your other point - I just hope you are correct he has another 2022 draft like 2021 and with more input from Staley as he knows the players better, the personnel - he can make informed decisions. Tillery, Gilman, Murray - sorry guys, might be time to move on.

[Boltgang74]

Very simple.TT has built a losing team overall for the last 9 years.Move on already.