Telesco Needs To Be Relieved Of Duties..

[gzubeck]

Given where we're at next year I'd say sign even more free agent Olinemen and forget about drafting our way out of this. Let Bulaga and williams go and that's $25 million right there in savings. We still need to draft linemen but it's to late to create the line through the draft in any appreciable way that will make a difference over the next two seasons. Also, hire more competent trainers for the oline. With a solid oline a lot of our problems will disappear more so than retaining Mike williams for $15-18 million per year. Just draft a couple of receivers you like and if one pans out our problem is solved there. Much harder to develop and determine offensive linemen by this regime.

[Topcat]

Given where we're at next year I'd say sign even more free agent Olinemen and forget about drafting our way out of this. Let Bulaga and williams go and that's $25 million right there in savings. We still need to draft linemen but it's to late to create the line through the draft in any appreciable way that will make a difference over the next two seasons. Also, hire more competent trainers for the oline. With a solid oline a lot of our problems will disappear more so than retaining Mike williams for $15-18 million per year. Just draft a couple of receivers you like and if one pans out our problem is solved there. Much harder to develop and determine offensive linemen by this regime.

Yep...I'd like us to find in FA:
1. A solid RT
2. A good backup G

I'd still like to draft one T and one G though...hopefully at least one of the two becomes a solid backup or possible starter...our lack of O-line and D-line depth is killing us...

[Steve]

Mike Williams isn't under contract after this season so we don't save anything for him. As of now, with no cuts, we have $73 mill (almost $74 mill) in cap space [over the cap].

If we cut Bulaga we save $10.75 mill. Mike Davis would save up to $7.4 mill if he was a post June 1st cut. Tillery hardly saves anything, just about $1 mill, and the same for Pipkins, so they hardly are worth cutting (anyone other than a draft pick or UDFA will cost about the same, if not more than they will). There really are no other good candidates for cutting, and no money to be saved there.

The FA list of our guys who are free to test the market is quite long.
Chris Harris,
Linval Joesph
Mike Williams
Jared Cook
Aboushi
Fackrell
Ryan Smith - the injured ST guy who didn't even play (???)
Nwosu
Roberts
Chase Daniels
Kelemente
Hopkins
Ty Long
Schofield
Covington
Justin Jones
Tevaughn Campbell
Parham
Anderson
Quessenberry
Storm Norton
Jackson
Guyton
Kyzir White

The good thing is that the only player that will cost very much would be Mike Williams, and I think with his inconsistency and injuries, we can probably negotiate a decent deal with him that everyone can live with, so long as everyone is reasonable. The rest, there are some players to bring back (Anderson, Parham, Cook, Long, White), but again nothing that is going to break the bank.

Williams got $15 mill because of the CBA, not because anyone has offered him that yet. Sportstrac values him at $15.5 mill per year, but over the cap is at $12.4 mill per year. Time will tell what he is actually worth, but there is no guareentee that he gets paid more than his current CBA cap boost, if even that. He started off well, but his lack of production lately hasn't helped his cause.

As far as the rest of the FA class, it is the usual. There is a shortlist of players who can actually help and will be very expensive and then there are the usual damaged goods, who will still cost a lot, because the supply is low-ish, but the demand is very, very high. And then there is the FACT that for the most part, they won't play very well for their new team, even if they played well last year for someone else.

The best bet is to target players that are on the Saints, Packers (maybe if they keep Rodgers), Cowboys and Vikings, because those 4 teams are all over the cap for next season and will need to make some big cuts to get under. The Rams and Giants are also both close to the cap, so they might too, although the guys they will cut we probably don't want.

[Topcat]

The FA list of our guys who are free to test the market is quite long.

Chris Harris, - LOST TWO STEPS - ADIOS
Linval Joesph - SIGN HIM FOR ANOTHER YEAR
Mike Williams - MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO EXTEND HIM
Jared Cook - ONE YEAR DEAL, MAYBE
Aboushi - BRING BACK
Fackrell - BRING BACK ON THE CHEAP
Ryan Smith - the injured ST guy who didn't even play (???) - NOT MUCH ROI - LET HIM GO
Nwosu - BRING BACK ON THE CHEAP
Roberts - BRING BACK
Chase Daniels - BRING BACK
Kelemente - IS IN WAY OVER HIS HEAD - ADIOS
Hopkins - BRING BACK
Ty Long - DRAFT A ROOK IN LATE ROUNDS AND SEE WHO WINS IN TC
Schofield - ADIOS
Covington - SEE HOW HE DOES IN TC - PREFER A FA OR DRAFT AN UPGRADE
Justin Jones - BRING BACK
Tevaughn Campbell - SIGN FA AND/OR DRAFT HIS REPLACEMENT
Parham - BRING BACK - EXTEND HIM 3-4 YEARS
Anderson - BRING BACK AT TEAM FRIENDLY DEAL
Quessenberry - BRING BACK ON THE CHEAP, UNLESS WE DRAFT OR SIGN SOMEONE BETTER
Storm Norton - SIGN A FA TO REPLACE HIM - ADIOS
Jackson - TOO MANY INJURIES, WASTE OF ROSTER SPOT - ADIOS
Guyton - BRING BACK, IF LOMBO WILL ACTUALLY USE HIM
Kyzir White - BRING BACK--EXTEND HIM 3-4 YEARS

There...fixed it for 'ya!

[Boltgang74]

Mike Williams isn't under contract after this season so we don't save anything for him. As of now, with no cuts, we have $73 mill (almost $74 mill) in cap space [over the cap].

If we cut Bulaga we save $10.75 mill. Mike Davis would save up to $7.4 mill if he was a post June 1st cut. Tillery hardly saves anything, just about $1 mill, and the same for Pipkins, so they hardly are worth cutting (anyone other than a draft pick or UDFA will cost about the same, if not more than they will). There really are no other good candidates for cutting, and no money to be saved there.

The FA list of our guys who are free to test the market is quite long.
Chris Harris,
Linval Joesph
Mike Williams
Jared Cook
Aboushi
Fackrell
Ryan Smith - the injured ST guy who didn't even play (???)
Nwosu
Roberts
Chase Daniels
Kelemente
Hopkins
Ty Long
Schofield
Covington
Justin Jones
Tevaughn Campbell
Parham
Anderson
Quessenberry
Storm Norton
Jackson
Guyton
Kyzir White

The good thing is that the only player that will cost very much would be Mike Williams, and I think with his inconsistency and injuries, we can probably negotiate a decent deal with him that everyone can live with, so long as everyone is reasonable. The rest, there are some players to bring back (Anderson, Parham, Cook, Long, White), but again nothing that is going to break the bank.

Williams got $15 mill because of the CBA, not because anyone has offered him that yet. Sportstrac values him at $15.5 mill per year, but over the cap is at $12.4 mill per year. Time will tell what he is actually worth, but there is no guareentee that he gets paid more than his current CBA cap boost, if even that. He started off well, but his lack of production lately hasn't helped his cause.

As far as the rest of the FA class, it is the usual. There is a shortlist of players who can actually help and will be very expensive and then there are the usual damaged goods, who will still cost a lot, because the supply is low-ish, but the demand is very, very high. And then there is the FACT that for the most part, they won't play very well for their new team, even if they played well last year for someone else.

The best bet is to target players that are on the Saints, Packers (maybe if they keep Rodgers), Cowboys and Vikings, because those 4 teams are all over the cap for next season and will need to make some big cuts to get under. The Rams and Giants are also both close to the cap, so they might too, although the guys they will cut we probably don't want.

Wow there is literally 4 maybe 5 guys on that list that are even worth a shit lol.#FIRETT

[like54ninjas]

Given where we're at next year I'd say sign even more free agent Olinemen and forget about drafting our way out of this. Let Bulaga and williams go and that's $25 million right there in savings. We still need to draft linemen but it's to late to create the line through the draft in any appreciable way that will make a difference over the next two seasons. Also, hire more competent trainers for the oline. With a solid oline a lot of our problems will disappear more so than retaining Mike williams for $15-18 million per year. Just draft a couple of receivers you like and if one pans out our problem is solved there. Much harder to develop and determine offensive linemen by this regime.

It is not a $25M savings as MikeDub’s contract is already factored out of our 2022 Cap.
We can create an additional $10.75M by cutting B. Bulaga.

[gzubeck]

It is not a $25M savings as MikeDub’s contract is already factored out of our 2022 Cap.
We can create an additional $10.75M by cutting B. Bulaga.

I just included that number because I was assuming he was in serious contention for being resigned next year. I just used those figures to prove a point about how much money we could garner from just those two players alone. My guess is that Telesco wanted the new staff to evaluate some of those developmental Oline players and none of them panned out.

[Bolt4Knob]

I just included that number because I was assuming he was in serious contention for being resigned next year. I just used those figures to prove a point about how much money we could garner from just those two players alone. My guess is that Telesco wanted the new staff to evaluate some of those developmental Oline players and none of them panned out.

Just remember Cap and AAV are not the same thing. I don't care what a players AAV is - its what the cap number is

And yes, you mention teams up against the cap. But the Chargers shouldn't worry about that - they need to identify the best players. Not also rans from other teams.

The Chargers as noted have about 74m of cap space - 84m with Bulaga (I probably am not cutting Davis yet - they need CBs!) But they also have a draft class coming in and are at 28 players on the roster. So realistically.. - you can SAY they are closer to mid 50's of cap space (10 player draft class is about 10m; 15 other players, not all will get the minimum so probably another 15m at least). But that is still a boatload of cap space if used correctly and the cap is manipulated correctly

[richpjr]

Article on the GMs in the league:

Ranking 32 NFL GMs: Browns’ Andrew Berry, Broncos’ George Paton fast starters, but Patriots’ Bill Belichick sets pace

By Mike Sando Dec 3, 2021

The Pittsburgh Steelers’ Kevin Colbert and the Carolina Panthers’ Scott Fitterer are both NFL general managers, but we would never compare the two. Colbert has been on the job for two-plus decades — so long that one of his draft choices, Troy Polamalu, has been enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame following a 12-year career and five-year waiting period. Fitterer was hired less than 11 months ago. None of his draft choices has played even one season. There’s comparably little to evaluate.

Separating GMs into categories based on longevity allows for cleaner comparisons. I’ve done that below for all 32 NFL GMs, stacking them by winning percentage within their four experience buckets, and offering commentary on their situations. Some walked into great situations. Others encountered messes. All are trying to build winners.

Colbert and the New England Patriots’ Bill Belichick lead the eight GMs with at least 10 drafts on the job. Eight other GMs have been on the job for 5-9 drafts, led by the Tennessee Titans’ Jon Robinson. Another seven GMs have 3-4 drafts, with nine others having fewer than that. Eight have won Super Bowls in their current roles. Six are just starting out. A couple could be about finished.
GMs In Place For 10 or More Drafts (.565)


The Minnesota Vikings’ Rick Spielman and the the Los Angeles Rams’ Les Snead are new to this group, which no longer features Thomas Dimitroff, fired by the Atlanta Falcons during last season. The top four in winning percentage have won Super Bowls. Two of the three with the lowest winning percentages enjoy incredible job security. They own their teams!



1. Bill Belichick, New England Patriots (.724): Belichick or Brady? Both! Oddsmakers favor Belichick for Coach of the Year and Brady in the MVP race 21 months after their divorce. Belichick stands out among the GMs in this grouping for getting the Patriots back into contention after only one down season without Brady. His coaching is part of that equation, but signing pass-rusher Matthew Judon and other productive free agents before drafting quarterback Mac Jones has been key.

2. Kevin Colbert, Pittsburgh Steelers (.644): Colbert has been going year-to-year with his contracts amid some expectation retirement is near. His current deal runs through the 2022 draft. Can he find Ben Roethlisberger’s successor? There is much more to do than that for a team facing a massive rebuild.

3. John Schneider, Seattle Seahawks (.618): Seattle extended Schneider’s contract through the 2027 draft in January. That move and extending coach Pete Carroll through 2025 signaled stability, but the public narrative has been different since quarterback Russell Wilson criticized the organization last offseason. What happens if the Seahawks, now 3-8, keep losing? Wilson remains under contract for the next two seasons. Would Seattle consider trading him as part of a reset?

4. Mickey Loomis, New Orleans Saints (.579): It’s been 15 years since Loomis and the Saints went hard after a starting quarterback and landed Drew Brees. They will presumably go after another veteran next offseason. Could Aaron Rodgers or Wilson be available? Any veteran quarterback would seemingly love playing for Sean Payton indoors.

5. Rick Spielman, Minnesota Vikings (.548): The Vikings have a 12-15 record since extending Spielman’s contract before the 2020 season, reportedly through 2023. Spielman helped the Vikings build a good team in the image of coach Mike Zimmer, but Minnesota appears to have run out of upward mobility. All the other GMs in this bucket, save for the Bengals’ Mike Brown, have reached a Super Bowl. The Vikings had their chance in 2017, but lost the NFC Championship Game at Philadelphia as a three-point favorite.

6. Jerry Jones, Dallas Cowboys (.542): The Cowboys have put together solid enough rosters over the years to compete and for Jones to become Pro Football Writers of America Executive of the Year in 2014. However, they own only three playoff victories in their past 24 seasons and have not reached a conference championship game since Barry Switzer was coach, despite getting solid quarterback play over the past 15 seasons. That could have more to do with Jones the owner than Jones the GM, but whatever the case, he is more responsible than other GMs for the bottom-line results of his team because he has so much more control.

7. Les Snead, Los Angeles Rams (.526): Snead’s record has improved from 31-48-1 during the Jeff Fisher era to 50-25 with Sean McVay as head coach. That could be interpreted multiple ways. A philosophical team-building shift accompanied the change, with the Rams suddenly trading away first-round picks for veteran players at a time when some think developing young talent has become a lower-odds proposition. Diminished play from Matthew Stafford during three successive defeats has dimmed the immediate outlook for a team whose approach is constantly evaluated.

8. Mike Brown, Cincinnati Bengals (.409): Quarterback Joe Burrow and receiver Ja’Marr Chase give the Bengals hope for the future, but Cincy is quietly ranked higher on defense (fifth) and special teams (third) than on offense (13th), measured by expected points added (EPA) per game, according to TruMedia. That reflects pretty well on the building of this particular Bengals team, which has come together with Brown ceding some control to Duke Tobin and others.
GMs In Place For 5-9 Drafts (.492)


This group is down to eight from 10 after Snead and Spielman aged into the group with 10-plus drafts. Two others, Dave Caldwell and Bob Quinn, were fired. The Indianapolis Colts’ Chris Ballard and the San Francisco 49ers’ John Lynch are new to this group.



1. Jon Robinson, Tennessee Titans (.598): Finding the right head coach and quarterback can seem impossible. Robinson fared well in these two key areas on his first try, a major reason why he ranks ninth in winning percentage among current GMs. Drafting a 2,000-yard rusher (Derrick Henry) and 1,000-yard receiver (A.J. Brown) also helped. Tennessee had suffered through four consecutive losing seasons before hiring Robinson. The team is 8-4 so far in 2021 and one victory away from a sixth consecutive winning season, one season short of the franchise record set during the Warren Moon era.

2. Steve Keim, Arizona Cardinals (.540): The comfort level between GM and owner can be critical to longevity. Keim has that after more than two decades with the organization, helping him ride out rough patches and rebuild the team around quarterback Kyler Murray. The Cardinals had the NFL’s worst record in 2018. They currently own the league’s best mark at 9-2.

3. Howie Roseman, Philadelphia Eagles (.516): Speaking of comfort levels between GMs and owners, can anyone not named Jerry Jones or Mike Brown claim a stronger owner/GM relationship than Roseman with the Eagles’ Jeff Lurie? Roseman has enjoyed two separate GM stints with the Eagles, winning a Super Bowl during his current incarnation.

4. Chris Ballard, Indianapolis Colts (.500): The Colts extended Ballard’s contract through 2026 and hope they finally have a long-term quarterback in Carson Wentz. Ballard has drafted a three-time Associated Press First-Team All-Pro in Quenton Nelson, a two-time choice in Darius Leonard and a potential MVP candidate in running back Jonathan Taylor, but had two losing seasons when Jacoby Brissett was the quarterback instead of the injured and eventually retired Andrew Luck.

5. Tom Telesco, Los Angeles Chargers (.475): Telesco has generally drafted well, including when he landed a franchise quarterback in Justin Herbert. The coaching hires have not worked out as well, which is why the team is on its third head coach in nine seasons since Telesco became GM.

6. John Lynch, San Francisco 49ers (.467): Lynch (2019), Beane (2020) and Ballard (2018) won the last three PFWA Executive of the Year awards. Unlike Beane and Ballard, Lynch has reached a Super Bowl. Also unlike Beane and Ballard, Lynch has enjoyed just one winning season and is below .500. The team extended Lynch’s contract through 2024, has rallied into the playoff race this season and will presumably start quarterback Trey Lance in 2022.

7. Jason Licht, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (.431): Signing Tom Brady changed everything for Licht and the Buccaneers, who had built a strong defense without being able to capitalize previously. Tampa Bay is 19-8 with Brady after going 34-62 during Licht’s tenure previously.

8. Ryan Pace, Chicago Bears (.430): The Bears rank 10th in defensive EPA per game since Pace became GM, but they paid more than $100 million during that time for 84 combined starts from quarterbacks Mitch Trubisky, Jay Cutler, Mike Glennon, Nick Foles and Andy Dalton. They now have Justin Fields but probably will be hiring another coach. Pace and the Bears have declined to say how long the GM is under contract. Is the end near?
GMs In Place For 3-4 Drafts (.588)


This grouping features GMs from teams that include the last three MVPs in Brian Gutekunst (Aaron Rodgers), Brett Veach (Patrick Mahomes) and Eric DeCosta (Lamar Jackson). All three GMs were working for their teams when those MVPs were drafted, but not in their current roles. Other GMs in this bucket acquired their quarterbacks by draft, trade or free agency.



1. Eric DeCosta, Baltimore Ravens (.781): Ozzie Newsome left the organization in a strong place when DeCosta took over for him as part of a long-planned transition. DeCosta owns the highest winning percentage for any current GM. Maintaining that edge will become more challenging if/when Jackson signs an expensive contract extension.

2. Brett Veach, Kansas City Chiefs (.733): Veach is one of eight current GMs with a Super Bowl victory during his tenure. Though he is the only one of the eight who was not in the GM role when his team acquired its title-winning quarterback, Veach did play a prominent role in drafting Patrick Mahomes. The Chiefs extended his contract through 2025.

3. Brian Gutekunst, Green Bay Packers (.692): Green Bay went 6-9-1 in Gutekunst’s first season as GM, when Mike McCarthy’s coaching run was ending. The team’s record through 44 games with Gutekunst and the head coach he helped hire (Matt LaFleur) is 35-9, much better than the 20-23-1 mark Green Bay posted in its 44 games before that. Rodgers’ reported disdain for Gutekunst and the Packers’ 2020 selection of quarterback Jordan Love creates questions about the future.

4. Brandon Beane, Buffalo Bills (.600): The Bills appear headed to the playoffs for the fourth time in five seasons since Beane took the job. Buffalo had missed the playoffs for the previous 17 seasons. Though Beane did not hire coach Sean McDermott, he did lead the push to draft quarterback Josh Allen, and he has put together a solid roster. Buffalo is the only team to rank among the NFL’s top five in offensive and defensive EPA per game since the start of last season. The Bills extended Beane’s contract through the 2025 season.

5. Mike Mayock, Las Vegas Raiders (.488): Jon Gruden drove the Raiders’ personnel moves until his recent resignation. There could be much change in Las Vegas following the season.

6. Chris Grier, Miami Dolphins (.455): The Dolphins named Grier their GM in 2016, but then-president Mike Tannenbaum held the power through 2018. Even now, the team operates largely under the control of the head coach, as in the 49ers’ case as well. Grier’s tenure has been marked by trading veteran talent for draft choices who, in many cases, have not produced as hoped. How Tua Tagovailoa is trending by season’s end will be a key variable. To this point, the team has needed stellar play on defense and/or special teams to win.

7. Dave Gettleman, New York Giants (.322): Only the Jaguars (14-45), Lions (14-43-2) and Jets (16-43) have lower winning percentages than the Giants since Gettleman became GM in 2018.
GMs In Place For 1-2 Drafts (.373)


Only two of the nine GMs in this group have acquired quarterbacks for the long-term future (the Jaguars with Trevor Lawrence, and the Jets with Zach Wilson). The six first-year GMs have a combined 20-46-1 record.



1. Andrew Berry, Cleveland Browns (.607): What to do at quarterback following an underwhelming (so far) season from Baker Mayfield is the big decision on the horizon for Berry and the Browns. The team is averaging a league-low 16.7 offensive points per game, down from 24.4 (14th) last season, after investing heavily in that side of the ball over the past couple years.

2. George Paton, Denver Broncos (.545): The Broncos are getting strong contributions from multiple players selected in Paton’s first draft with the team, all the way down to seventh-rounder pass-rusher Jonathon Cooper. Paton has re-signed young receivers, gotten value for Von Miller, who would have departed in the offseason, remained in the playoff race and positioned the Broncos to make a big jump if they can add a quarterback in the offseason. Of course, if finding a quarterback were easy, the Broncos would have added one a long time ago. Rodgers’ situation bears watching.

3. Terry Fontenot, Atlanta Falcons (.455): The Falcons’ decision to stay the course with Matt Ryan instead of drafting a quarterback in the 2021 first round could define the team’s first few years with Fontenot as GM. Kyle Pitts’ selection at No. 4 is paying off with instant production at a high level from a lesser-valued position.

4. Ron Rivera, Washington Football Team (.444): Washington has punted on a long-term decision at quarterback through Rivera’s first two seasons. If analysts are correct, the 2022 draft might not offer much in the way of options, especially for a team that is currently 19th in the 2022 order following a three-game winning streak. How can Washington make a big jump?

5. Scott Fitterer, Carolina Panthers (.417): The decision to acquire quarterback Sam Darnold and pick up his guaranteed $18.8 million option for next season has gone poorly. Fitterer also inherited some decisions that need to be sorted out, including whether the team can continue to build its offense around running back Christian McCaffrey.

6. Joe Douglas, New York Jets (.279): Douglas took over after the 2019 draft, so he qualifies for inclusion among GMs with only one or two drafts on the job. The Jets still have a roster with more questions than answers, including at quarterback, where rookie Zach Wilson has struggled and been injured. It’s been a rough start, and it’s not clear yet what the team can count on in the future. The Jets would have to go 7-9 over their next 16 games for Douglas to match Gettleman’s current record with the Giants.

7. Nick Caserio, Houston Texans (.182): How would you build a team? It’s a question every would-be GM has been asked. And it’s a laughable question, because every situation is so different. For Caserio, the actual question should have been, “How would you build a team if you inherited a $156 million quarterback who will soon be facing 22 lawsuits and unable to play, under an inexperienced owner with no track record for success, without the benefit of high draft choices, which the previous regime traded away?”

7. Trent Baalke, Jacksonville Jaguars (.182): Speaking of unusual situations, here is another one. The Jaguars hired Baalke as player personnel director under previous GM Dave Caldwell, then fired Caldwell and coach Doug Marrone, then hired Urban Meyer as coach, then promoted Baalke to GM. Meyer is driving the personnel decisions, which will all look better if Trevor Lawrence can meet the Jaguars’ expectations for him. Bigger picture, the Jaguars have a league-worst 41-114 record (.265) since owner Shad Khan purchased the team.

9. Brad Holmes, Detroit Lions (.045): Holmes does own the Rams’ first-round picks in 2022 and 2023, but it’s the Lions’ own pick in the next draft, likely No. 1 overall, that could be pivotal. Holding the first pick means different things in different years. Some years, it could mean drafting John Elway or Peyton Manning. Other years, it could mean drafting Carson Palmer, Michael Vick or Matthew Stafford. It could also mean drafting Sam Bradford, David Carr or Tim Couch. The Lions still must prove they can get the most from a highly drafted quarterback. Holmes is a first-time GM taking over a franchise no one else has been able to fix. These jobs aren’t easy.

[Bolt4Knob]

Article on the GMs in the league:

generally drafted well
looks at overall record well under .500
nonsensical review of Telesco

all that matters is record

[gzubeck]

I don't know if this video has been posted but I'm still a believer in Staley because there are signs of intelligence there and he wasn't handed a full deck of players on the oline and dline. If there was a new GM his first requirement would be is can he work with Staley cause he's gonna stay for at least two more seasons.

:beer:

[Formula 21]

The first college basketball coach got dismissed yesterday, 6 games into the season. That’s how you do it, when it’s obvious things aren’t working, suck it up and make the change.