POLL: Should The Bolts Trade Up For Tua?

[Guest]

Again, that was not my point. You arent good at reading into things.




Only a fool comes to a conclusion on a QB that has played in 8 games, starting 7 and showing signs of improving before getting hurt.

And, as if that were not enough, the same Burrow could not get it done in 2018 either at LSU, his redshirt junior season (two years further along than Lawrence's 2019 season). The only time he got it done was when his team was beyond loaded with a team talent advantage that he will never see in the NFL. That is, he is a nice little game manager.



LMAO....these are kids we are talking about. Kids that are developing and will continue to do so, just at the next level. Some need more time than others, some dont improve. Burrow has obviously improved. That is what teams saw and what he did with it. You are talking out your ass.

While ill agree that QB's bust factors are higher....in part because GMs over draft them but ill again say that NO prospect is a sure fire thing. Would i feel very comfortable if we draft Simmons that he will be a pro bowler in a short time? Absolutely, but he comes with no 100% guarantee of that. He could suffer injuries like Lamp has or just have a hard tie adjusting.....or he may be a stud day 1. Thats the gamble.



Id say this is bullshit. Murray would still go over him as Kingsbury was very smitten with him. I also dont see why GMs wouldnt want a QB who had 60 TD passes in a college season over someone who shit the bed in the playoffs. Hey man, i like Lawrence as much as anybody as well but YOU seem to be in love with him. Calling Lawrence more dominate than Luck and Peyton but give no credit to Burrow,...Hmm OK.
I like Lawrence but not as much as you do. Put him on Mahomes college team and see how he does. We got a glimpse of that in the playoffs. He seems to be human.



You will surely be the only one but OK.

Done arguing with someone who is wearing horse blinders. Tired of reading the same old repeated arguments.

The poster to whom I was responding called Burrow a generational QB. Any notion that Burrow would just come in and set the world on fire is belied by his inability to beat out Haskins and Haskins' struggles, which is all we have to go on so far. I am not suggesting Haskins cannot improve, but he was better than Burrow and has not done squat so far in the NFL. So, yes, Haskins does seem to matter to a degree.

Sometimes QBs can deveop, but sometimes the change in statistical performance reflects more of a team diffrence than an individual difference. That can be difficult to parse, but I think it is sound resoning to note that Burrow is not likely to have the huge advantages in team talent that he had in 2019 at LSU.

Lawrence was not eligible when Murray was drafted, but he had just been the QB on an undefeated national championship team and he has a whole lot more upside than Murray. Again, any GM would have seen that right away. The same holds true versus Burrow.

As for Mahomes, Lawrence has a better, more accurate arm and is a better runner. I think he would have done more at Texas Tech than Mahomes did. He definitely has a higher ceiling than Mahomes based upon superior physcial gifts. If Mahomes is playing for the Bengals, they are still a losing team, though better than they finished in 2019. People tend to give Mahomes way too much credit for what the Chiefs have done. If you compare Mahomes' 2019 stats to Alex Smith's 2017 stats, you will find that they are eerily similar, yet Mahomes is somehow the greatest QB ever and Smith is just some game manager. It is interesting how public perception can cloud objective analysis.

[Boltjolt]

The poster to whom I was responding called Burrow a generational QB. Any notion that Burrow would just come in and set the world on fire is belied by his inability to beat out Haskins and Haskins' struggles, which is all we have to go on so far. I am not suggesting Haskins cannot improve, but he was better than Burrow and has not done squat so far in the NFL. So, yes, Haskins does seem to matter to a degree.

Sometimes QBs can deveop, but sometimes the change in statistical performance reflects more of a team diffrence than an individual difference. That can be difficult to parse, but I think it is sound resoning to note that Burrow is not likely to have the huge advantages in team talent that he had in 2019 at LSU.

Lawrence was not eligible when Murray was drafted, but he had just been the QB on an undefeated national championship team and he has a whole lot more upside than Murray. Again, any GM would have seen that right away. The same holds true versus Burrow.

As for Mahomes, Lawrence has a better, more accurate arm and is a better runner. I think he would have done more at Texas Tech than Mahomes did. He definitely has a higher ceiling than Mahomes based upon superior physcial gifts. If Mahomes is playing for the Bengals, they are still a losing team, though better than they finished in 2019. People tend to give Mahomes way too much credit for what the Chiefs have done. If you compare Mahomes' 2019 stats to Alex Smith's 2017 stats, you will find that they are eerily similar, yet Mahomes is somehow the greatest QB ever and Smith is just some game manager. It is interesting how public perception can cloud objective analysis.

You know whats funny.....2017 was Alex Smiths best season by far....his what...12th or so in the league and 5th or 6th in the Chiefs system, ...after his team drafted a top QB?
2019 wasnt Mahomes best season..his 3rd year in the league and he played half the year with a sprained knee while only missing 2 games.

Are you by chance a Clemson booster?

[richpjr]

Sometimes QBs can deveop, but sometimes the change in statistical performance reflects more of a team diffrence than an individual difference. That can be difficult to parse, but I think it is sound resoning to note that Burrow is not likely to have the huge advantages in team talent that he had in 2019 at LSU.

LSU had talent in 2018 as well. The big difference is that in 2019 they put in a new offense to maximize what Burrow does best and it paid off.

[like54ninjas]

LSU had talent in 2018 as well. The big difference is that in 2019 they put in a new offense to maximize what Burrow does best and it paid off.

Hail Joe Brady

[Kingcrimson]

So apparently we used 2 out of 3 video calls to interview Herbert and Love. I don’t wanna look too much into this but...

[richpjr]

So apparently we used 2 out of 3 video calls to interview Herbert and Love. I don’t wanna look too much into this but...

You shouldn't - it's 3 calls per week that are allowed:

Each call between clubs and prospects can last no more than an hour, per the league. Teams can schedule no more than three telephone or video conferences with an individual draft-eligible player per week.

[powderblueboy]

The poster to whom I was responding called Burrow a generational QB. Any notion that Burrow would just come in and set the world on fire is belied by his inability to beat out Haskins and Haskins' struggles, which is all we have to go on so far. I am not suggesting Haskins cannot improve, but he was better than Burrow and has not done squat so far in the NFL. So, yes, Haskins does seem to matter to a degree.

Sometimes QBs can deveop, but sometimes the change in statistical performance reflects more of a team diffrence than an individual difference. That can be difficult to parse, but I think it is sound resoning to note that Burrow is not likely to have the huge advantages in team talent that he had in 2019 at LSU.

Lawrence was not eligible when Murray was drafted, but he had just been the QB on an undefeated national championship team and he has a whole lot more upside than Murray. Again, any GM would have seen that right away. The same holds true versus Burrow.

As for Mahomes, Lawrence has a better, more accurate arm and is a better runner. I think he would have done more at Texas Tech than Mahomes did. He definitely has a higher ceiling than Mahomes based upon superior physcial gifts. If Mahomes is playing for the Bengals, they are still a losing team, though better than they finished in 2019. People tend to give Mahomes way too much credit for what the Chiefs have done. If you compare Mahomes' 2019 stats to Alex Smith's 2017 stats, you will find that they are eerily similar, yet Mahomes is somehow the greatest QB ever and Smith is just some game manager. It is interesting how public perception can cloud objective analysis.

I loved Mahomes at Texas Tech. I'm a bit surprised at how rapidly he's ascended the qb rankings, but i thought he was a franchise type qb.

I don't have the same certainty from what i've seen of Lawrence. If i have time, i'll go into it.

[beachcomber]

Kinda feeling, trading up for Tua is all but a done deal. Not sure any other option is near as sexy to management. Tua holding up a new-design Chargers jersey, that shit is gold.

gotta admit.... sorta wondering where this "flair" and "exciting" is gonna come from that Tom proclaimed in his presser.... (no Cam, right ?)

[21&500]

gotta admit.... sorta wondering where this "flair" and "exciting" is gonna come from that Tom proclaimed in his presser.... (no Cam, right ?)

It’s coming

Tua in 2020
Saban in 2021
Powder Blue Roll Tide

[Lone Bolt]

So apparently we used 2 out of 3 video calls to interview Herbert and Love. I don’t wanna look too much into this but...

To clarify, unless I am mistaken, they can have 3 calls per individual per week. They could face time 20 guys a week, as long as they don't badger one prospect too much. At least I think that is how it works...

Edit: Ooops...looks like Rich addressed that already...anyway, that's how I interpret the quote he gave on the procedure.

[richpjr]

Tua Tagovailoa ready to compete without any restrictions
Posted by Charean Williams on March 30, 2020, 5:37 PM EDT

Tua Tagovailoa’s plan to work out for scouts next month and to be re-examined by NFL team doctors has not gone as planned because of the COVID-19 pandemic. The quarterback’s rehab, though, has gone as expected.

Or maybe even better than expected.

Chris Abott, the president and COO of Steinberg Sports & Entertainment, told Eric Edholm of Yahoo Sports that Tagovailoa is fully cleared and “ready to compete without any restrictions.”

Dr. Chip Routt repaired Tagovailoa’s injured hip during a Nov. 18 surgery in Houston. Tagovailoa then returned to Alabama for three months of rehab at the Andrews Sports Medicine & Orthopaedic Center.

Dr. Lyle Cain, an orthopaedic surgeon and sports medicine specialist at the Andrews Center, deems Tagovailoa’s progress remarkable.

“I am extremely pleased,” Cain told Edholm. “If you told me four, almost five, months ago now that he’d be where he is now, I think I would have been very happy. I think he’s done extremely well for where he started out.”

Tagovailoa posted a video to his Twitter account a week ago while working out in Nashville with former NFL quarterback Trent Dilfer.

[like54ninjas]

Tua Tagovailoa ready to compete without any restrictions
Posted by Charean Williams on March 30, 2020, 5:37 PM EDT

Tua Tagovailoa’s plan to work out for scouts next month and to be re-examined by NFL team doctors has not gone as planned because of the COVID-19 pandemic. The quarterback’s rehab, though, has gone as expected.

Or maybe even better than expected.

Chris Abott, the president and COO of Steinberg Sports & Entertainment, told Eric Edholm of Yahoo Sports that Tagovailoa is fully cleared and “ready to compete without any restrictions.”

Dr. Chip Routt repaired Tagovailoa’s injured hip during a Nov. 18 surgery in Houston. Tagovailoa then returned to Alabama for three months of rehab at the Andrews Sports Medicine & Orthopaedic Center.

Dr. Lyle Cain, an orthopaedic surgeon and sports medicine specialist at the Andrews Center, deems Tagovailoa’s progress remarkable.

“I am extremely pleased,” Cain told Edholm. “If you told me four, almost five, months ago now that he’d be where he is now, I think I would have been very happy. I think he’s done extremely well for where he started out.”

Tagovailoa posted a video to his Twitter account a week ago while working out in Nashville with former NFL quarterback Trent Dilfer.

4 1/2 month heal time seems damn fast.