Justin Herbert - Bolts Franchise QB Official Discussion

[BigBad]

I told everyone we had thee guy based on that game. 3 years later we haven’t won a playoff game.

Peyton Manning started his playoff record at 0-3. The Colts should have dumped his sorry butt!

[madcaplaughs]

Complete clownshow by this organization...no need to rush to sign him long term when we still had two years to evaluate him, especially in a new system to see if King Checkdown was a product of the prior system or a deeper flaw (among other red flags, batted passes, etc).

And no, I don't think Burrow would have driven up Herbert's price (at least not significantly IMO) as Burrow himself has said he didn't want to break the bank so the Bengals could still sign free agents.

Seriously zero incentive to rush into this, it's a huge gamble now.

Yep, after Burrow gets paid, you'll say, "See, we could have paid Justin Herbert more, but no......., we chose to pay him less, thus eliminating any chance to compete in a competitive salary market....."

[Velo]

It's good to have Herbert locked up for the long term. But the Chargers aren't going to be able to be active players in the FA market for awhile. And other Chargers making huge money have to play up to their contracts - no more giving up winning TDs to the opposition if you're the highest paid man in the league at your position.

[dmac_bolt]

It's good to have Herbert locked up for the long term. But the Chargers aren't going to be able to be active players in the FA market for awhile. And other Chargers making huge money have to play up to their contracts - no more giving up winning TDs to the opposition if you're the highest paid man in the league at your position.

I read the structure is creative enough it actually gives them $10M in cap relief next year, no impact this year. Most of their larger other contracts will be winding down. They will have to spend a bit smarter though, and draft a bit better. Its the dilemma of modern NFL: you HAVE to get that elite QB and then pay him, and you have to manage total roster talent under a fixed cap. TT has to perform. I like 2023 draft a lot on paper, but they haven’t played a down yet.

[Heatmiser]

The Chargers did this very well. They keep Herbert on his original rookie contract for 5 years. Then they locked him up for the next 5 years. By the time the new contract kicks in, he won't be the highest paid anything. So we get to keep our elite QB based upon today's cost vs what it is going to be in 2025. And if he continues his trajectory, it will only make that future cost grow. This was a great and very smart move and I think Herbert's agent acted responsibly, too. He could have beat his chest and said $500k more than the oft injured and passing limited Lamar Jackson was not appropriate.

Again, for the Spanos is cheap and don't care about winning crowd (who have been conspicuously MIA) this contract means in the last 4-5 years, the Chargers at the time of signing had the highest paid defender and at the time non QB player (Bosa), center (Linsley), safety (James) and now QB (Herbert). Them's facts.

TG

[Velo]

So we get to keep our elite QB based upon today's cost vs what it is going to be in 2025.

This is a key point.

[La Costa Boy]

The Chargers did this very well. They keep Herbert on his original rookie contract for 5 years. Then they locked him up for the next 5 years. By the time the new contract kicks in, he won't be the highest paid anything. So we get to keep our elite QB based upon today's cost vs what it is going to be in 2025. And if he continues his trajectory, it will only make that future cost grow. This was a great and very smart move and I think Herbert's agent acted responsibly, too. He could have beat his chest and said $500k more than the oft injured and passing limited Lamar Jackson was not appropriate.

Again, for the Spanos is cheap and don't care about winning crowd (who have been conspicuously MIA) this contract means in the last 4-5 years, the Chargers at the time of signing had the highest paid defender and at the time non QB player (Bosa), center (Linsley), safety (James) and now QB (Herbert). Them's facts.

TG

Facts just piss the naysayers off because they are true. Remember the mantra...."never let a good crisis go to waste....."

[21&500]

I like that the guaranteed money is so high and outside of the 1 off Watson deal, has set a relative new precedent.
Burrows deal and every other deal after that is going to have to be in the ballpark and some of those contracts will bust.

I like it because everything Herbert has shown indicates to me that he's going to stay hungry and disciplined throughout the life of the contract, and I'll gladly bet that against every other team that has to show the same faith in their franchise QB.

[jamrock]

How long did it take John Elway to win a Super Bowl? (In other words, *not* winning a playoff game in three seasons isn't a reflection on Herbert.)

Herb is our Elway. Nobody wins NFL games by themselves. Now that he's surrounded by what looks like a solid NFL O-line, there's every reason to believe he'll accomplish more than he has up until now.

It took Elway until he had Terrell Davis. I’d rather Herb be our Brady, Mahomes, Burrow, etc.

[QSmokey]

The Chargers did this very well. They keep Herbert on his original rookie contract for 5 years. Then they locked him up for the next 5 years. By the time the new contract kicks in, he won't be the highest paid anything. So we get to keep our elite QB based upon today's cost vs what it is going to be in 2025. And if he continues his trajectory, it will only make that future cost grow. This was a great and very smart move and I think Herbert's agent acted responsibly, too. He could have beat his chest and said $500k more than the oft injured and passing limited Lamar Jackson was not appropriate.

Again, for the Spanos is cheap and don't care about winning crowd (who have been conspicuously MIA) this contract means in the last 4-5 years, the Chargers at the time of signing had the highest paid defender and at the time non QB player (Bosa), center (Linsley), safety (James) and now QB (Herbert). Them's facts.

TG

The 'Spanos is cheap' narrative refers to the COACHING STAFF and FRONT OFFICE, not the players. Spanos is content to maintain the status quo of hiring cheap, first time HCs and keeping around his cheap, yes-man GM. Other than Ross and Schotty (and Beathard) - and we all know how those hires ended - he's never hired anyone who would dare challenge him. That's the loser mentality that he's perpetuated during his time here and why all that money he's spent on players has been, for the most part, wasted.

[BigBad]

Interesting....

On the surface, it’s a five-year, $262.5 million extension for Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert. It makes him the highest-paid player in NFL history, at $52.5 million per year.

But there’s an old trick that has been used to inflate the perception of the deal. New money.

Herbert actually signed a seven-year deal, with the $262.5 million added to what he was due to make over the next two years: $4.234 million in 2023 and $29.5 million in 2024. That’s $33.734 million in so-called old money.

Added to the $262.5 million in new money, Herbert has a seven-year, $296.234 million contract. That’s an average of $42.3 million per year.

While hardly peanuts, it’s a far cry from $52.5 million. And it’s important when comparing Herbert’s deal to the one signed by Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson. He gets a straight, five-year, $260 million deal, worth a true $52 million per year.

[Velo]

Herbert actually signed a seven-year deal, with the $262.5 million added to what he was due to make over the next two years: $4.234 million in 2023 and $29.5 million in 2024. That’s $33.734 million in so-called old money.

See, this is also key. They've locked him up for seven years but they don't owe him above what his rookie contract specified for the next two seasons.