2021 Draft Discussion - Bolts Pick 13th

[Boltgang74]

More O line earlier.

[Boltnut]

There are other guys I would release first (before HH and MW).

Hayward (maybe) saves $9.75 Mill
Turner saves $11.5 mill
Chris Harris $7.50 mill
Joseph $7.5 mill

The other thing you have to remember with Pitts, is that he can't play inline TE, and is never going to be that kind of player. So, there is the additional cost, and more importantly the difficulty of finding an inline TE to fill that role in our O. He can be an outstanding weapon, but he is not ever going to be an inline TE to hold the edge blocking offtackle (outside zone).

I am not against cutting either, but since I really don't see the point in yet another year of pissing away FA money, not sure we need to, except to clear roster spots for guys to play.

MW I think would be a better TC decision. See if Guyton and Johnson are pushing it, unless we need the money for other FA on our list. But most of the vets on our list I am not feeling like we need to massively overpay to keep. Guys like Feeney, Lamp and Tevi should be brought back, but they aren't going to get starters money, at least not on this deal. Give them a couple mill per season on a short deal and a contract that voids if they make the pro bowl or PFF ranking of 85 or better. ... otherwise don't let the door hit you in the ass ....

Hayward, Turner, and Harris are all expendable... because they can be replaced by better/younger/cheaper. Joseph, though...? I'm not so sure.

Totally agree with you in regards to Pitts... not an inline... probably never will be. 1-dimensional. Gronk and Kelce aren't 1-dimensional. I don't believe that HH is Kelce or Gronk... but 2-dimensional TE's are better for their overall offenses. Why use 2 players to do the work of one...? I like our TE group. Bring them all back.

In regards to MW... if you keep MW until TC (or any other time after March 17th) then you can't use his salary for other needs. I think Mike could be a weapon... maybe even live up to that $15.6 million. But maybe just not with this team. KA is our #1. He will be until he hangs them up. This team may need a #2 WR. But they need other things way worse than that... use that money in FA... and get another draft pick... if you can.

Feeney, Lamp, Tevi may work out eventually... but what if you used MW money to get you a center and a guard...? Good ones. Corey Linsley and Ethan Pocic.
WR #2 can be drafted... maybe with the same damn pick we get for MW...

[Boltnut]

Mike Williams money on Linsley and Pocic. Plus a 3rd rounder...

1. OG Wyatt Davis
2. LB Chazz Surratt
3. OT Jackson Carman
3. DE Joe Tryon
3. CB Elijah Molden
4. WR Dazz Newsome
5 RB
6. BPA
6. BPA
7. BPA

OL: Carman, Davis, Linsley, Pocic, Bulaga
WR: KA, Newsome, Guyton, Johnson, Hill, Reed
CB: Davis, FA, FA, Molden, Campbell, Facyson
LB: Vigil, Murray, Surratt

[Steve]

Hayward, Turner, and Harris are all expendable... because they can be replaced by better/younger/cheaper. Joseph, though...? I'm not so sure.

Totally agree with you in regards to Pitts... not an inline... probably never will be. 1-dimensional. Gronk and Kelce aren't 1-dimensional. I don't believe that HH is Kelce or Gronk... but 2-dimensional TE's are better for their overall offenses. Why use 2 players to do the work of one...? I like our TE group. Bring them all back.

In regards to MW... if you keep MW until TC (or any other time after March 17th) then you can't use his salary for other needs. I think Mike could be a weapon... maybe even live up to that $15.6 million. But maybe just not with this team. KA is our #1. He will be until he hangs them up. This team may need a #2 WR. But they need other things way worse than that... use that money in FA... and get another draft pick... if you can.

Feeney, Lamp, Tevi may work out eventually... but what if you used MW money to get you a center and a guard...? Good ones. Corey Linsley and Ethan Pocic.
WR #2 can be drafted... maybe with the same damn pick we get for MW...

I'm not saying Tevi, Feeney and Lamp are answers. I say you bring the back and then bring in everyone you can to compete. If you squeeze them out prior to OTA's because you could bring in enough other bodies to compete.. so be it. Besides, they are not going to break the bank. THey are jsut being brought in as competition or depth, but if they don't make it, oh well....

I can already tell you that signing high priced FA is not going to work. It never does. We will sign 2 guys, they will feel pretty good about themselves and not push themselves like they used to and will suck.

Again, some of you need to doa better job of following other teams. The vast majority of guys who change teams, especially the high priced guys just suck. They only stick around for a couple of more years because they are too expensive to cut.

You think that because they are so-so players you are getting what you paid for, only their play drops off after they get the big deal. They are entrenched as a starter and they suck balls. It happens year after year after year, and it never changes. Yet fans for bad teams pray for cap space because they think it is a quick fix. It's not.

[Boltgang74]

If TTs sorry ass remains our GM then we aint gotta choice.Dude cant draft o line for shit.

[FoutsFan]

If TTs sorry ass remains our GM then we aint gotta choice.Dude cant draft o line for shit.

By the law of averages with the amount of linemen TT drafted you would think one of them would turn out well but its like he is sabatoging the one draft picks.

[Boltnut]

I'm not saying Tevi, Feeney and Lamp are answers. I say you bring the back and then bring in everyone you can to compete. If you squeeze them out prior to OTA's because you could bring in enough other bodies to compete.. so be it. Besides, they are not going to break the bank. THey are jsut being brought in as competition or depth, but if they don't make it, oh well....

I can already tell you that signing high priced FA is not going to work. It never does. We will sign 2 guys, they will feel pretty good about themselves and not push themselves like they used to and will suck.

Again, some of you need to doa better job of following other teams. The vast majority of guys who change teams, especially the high priced guys just suck. They only stick around for a couple of more years because they are too expensive to cut.

You think that because they are so-so players you are getting what you paid for, only their play drops off after they get the big deal. They are entrenched as a starter and they suck balls. It happens year after year after year, and it never changes. Yet fans for bad teams pray for cap space because they think it is a quick fix. It's not.

Normally, yes. Because the guys that hit FA went unsigned for a reason... Franklin, Okung, Pouncey. We went 12-4 when Okung and Pouncey both played one whole season. This year will be different because of cap reduction along with a few teams that have been "re-structuring" older QB's... and now they're in cap hell (Saints, Falcons, Steelers, Packers). Teams will be cutting guys out of financial reasons... not production reasons.

And I'm not signing a bunch of high priced players... I'm signing one... Corey Linsley. And I'm not against signing Lamp, Feeney, and Tevi... as long as they're cheap. But that could as easily go for Groy and Toner. We have 20 roster spots to fill... obviously not all of them can be high priced FA's...

BTW... I don't think Tevi signs for cheap. He'll convince someone he's a swing tackle.

[Boltnut]

Again, some of you need to doa better job of following other teams. .

Might I suggest Buffalo and Cleveland...?

Maybe Seattle...?

All playoff teams... no...?

Look at how they each fixed their OL's...

[like54ninjas]

Normally, yes. Because the guys that hit FA went unsigned for a reason... Franklin, Okung, Pouncey. We went 12-4 when Okung and Pouncey both played one whole season. This year will be different because of cap reduction along with a few teams that have been "re-structuring" older QB's... and now they're in cap hell (Saints, Falcons, Steelers, Packers). Teams will be cutting guys out of financial reasons... not production reasons.

And I'm not signing a bunch of high priced players... I'm signing one... Corey Linsley. And I'm not against signing Lamp, Feeney, and Tevi... as long as they're cheap. But that could as easily go for Groy and Toner. We have 20 roster spots to fill... obviously not all of them can be high priced FA's...

BTW... I don't think Tevi signs for cheap. He'll convince someone he's a swing tackle.

Cole Toner has showed pretty darn well in his snaps at ORG. I’ll do my season review over the next week. Toner over Feeney and Lamp is a definite consideration if either balks at a very team friendly short term deal.

[Boltnut]

Cole Toner has showed pretty darn well in his snaps at ORG. I’ll do my season review over the next week. Toner over Feeney and Lamp is a definite consideration if either balks at a very team friendly short term deal.

I would also argue that Groy started to show promise before ending up on the COVID list. In any event, they should be cheap competition for backup spots along the OL.

[like54ninjas]

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Georgia	DJ	Daniel	CB
LSU	Kary	Vincent Jr.	CB
Washington	Keith	Taylor	CB
Washington	Elijah	Molden	CB
Oregon	Thomas	Graham Jr.	CB
Oklahoma	Tre	Brown	CB
North Carolina Central	Bryan	Mills	CB
Michigan	Ambry	Thomas	CB
Georgia	Mark	Webb	CB
Central Florida	Aaron	Robinson	CB
Central Arkansas	Robert	Rochell	CB
California	Camryn	Bynum	CB
Oklahoma State	Rodarius	Williams	CB
Pittsburgh	Damar	Hamlin	DB
Syracuse	Ifeatu	Melifonwu	DB
Texas	Ta'Quan	Graham	DE
Kansas State	Wyatt	Hubert	DE
Ohio State	Jonathon	Cooper	DL
Florida State	Marvin	Wilson	DL
Washington	Levi	Onwuzurike	DL
Wake Forest	Carlos	Basham Jr.	DL
UCLA	Osa	Odighizuwa	DL
Tulane	Cameron	Sample	DL
Notre Dame	Adetokunbo	Ogundeji	DL
Georgia	Malik	Herring	DL
Coastal Carolina	Tarron	Jackson	DL
Northern Iowa	Elerson	Smith	DL	Missouri Valley
Houston	Payton	Turner	DL
Florida	Jeremiah	Moon	EDGE
Vanderbilt	Dayo	Odeyingbo	EDGE
Pittsburgh	Rashad	Weaver	EDGE
Pittsburgh	Patrick	Jones II	EDGE
Penn State	Shaka	Toney	EDGE
Notre Dame	Daelin	Hayes	EDGE
Miami	Quincy	Roche	EDGE
Buffalo	Malcolm	Koonce	EDGE
Baylor	William	Bradley-King	EDGE
Michigan	Ben	Mason	FB
Virginia	Charles	Snowden	LB
TCU	Garret	Wallow	LB
South Alabama	Riley	Cole	LB
Oregon State	Hamilcar	Rashed Jr.	LB
Ohio State	Baron	Browning	LB
Ohio State	Tuf	Borland	LB
LSU	Jabril	Cox	LB
Houston	Grant	Stuard	LB
Georgia	Monty	Rice	LB
Auburn	KJ	Britt	LB
West Virginia	Tony	Fields II	LB
UAB	Jordan	Smith	LB
Purdue	Derrick	Barnes	LB
Alabama	Thomas	Fletcher	LS
Michigan	Camaron	Cheeseman	LS
Oklahoma	Creed	Humphrey	OC
Tennessee	Trey	Smith	OG/OC
Notre Dame	Robert	Hainsey	OG/OC
Ole Miss	Royce	Newman	OG/OC
Grambling State	David	Moore	OG/OC
Penn State	Michal	Menet	OG/OC
Middle Tennessee	Robert	Jones	OG/OC
Georgia	Ben	Cleveland	OG/OC
Boston College	Zion	Johnson	OG/OC
Alabama	Landon	Dickerson	OG/OC
Alabama	Deonte	Brown	OG/OC
Texas Tech	Jack	Anderson	OG/OC
Oklahoma State	Teven	Jenkins	OT
Nebraska	Brenden	Jaimes	OT
Notre Dame	Liam	Eichenberg	OT
Northern Iowa	Spencer	Brown	OT
North Dakota State	Dillon	Radunz	OT
Iowa	Alaric	Jackson	OT
East Carolina	D'Ante	Smith	OT
Oklahoma	Adrian	Ealy	OT
Miami	Jose	Borregales	PK
Memphis	Riley	Patterson	PK
Kentucky	Max	Duffy	PT
Cincinnati	James	Smith	PT
Texas A&M	Kellen	Mond	QB
Texas	Sam	Ehlinger	QB
Notre Dame	Ian	Book	QB
Florida	Kyle	Trask	QB
Arkansas	Feleipe	Franks	QB
Wake Forest	Jamie	Newman	QB
UCLA	Demetric	Felton	RB
Ohio State	Trey	Sermon	RB
North Carolina	Michael	Carter	RB
Missouri	Larry	Rountree III	RB
Mississippi State	Kylin	Hill	RB
Louisiana	Elijah	Mitchell	RB
Virginia Tech	Khalil	Herbert	RB
Missouri	Joshuah	Bledsoe	SAF
Cincinnati	James	Wiggins	SAF
Virginia Tech	Divine	Deablo	SAF
Penn State	Jaquan	Brisker	SAF
Missouri	Tyree	Gillespie	SAF
LSU	JaCoby	Stevens	SAF
Illinois St.	Christian	Uphoff	SAF
Georgia	Richard	LeCounte	SAF
Florida State	Hamsah	Nasirildeen	SAF
Florida	Shawn	Davis	SAF
Central Florida	Richie	Grant	SAF
Virginia	Tony	Poljan	TE
Ole Miss	Kenny	Yeboah	TE
Georgia	Tre	McKitty	TE
Bowling Green	Quintin	Morris	TE
SMU	Kylen	Granson	TE
Boston College	Hunter	Long	TE
Notre Dame	Ben	Skowronek	WR	IND
LSU	Racey	McMath	WR
Louisville	Desmond	Fitzpatrick	WR
Houston	Marquez	Stevenson	WR
Western Michigan	D'Wayne	Eskridge	WR
UAB	Austin	Watkins Jr.	WR
Tennessee	Josh	Palmer	WR
South Dakota St.	Cade	Johnson	WR
South Carolina	Shi	Smith	WR
Oklahoma State	Tylan	Wallace	WR
Michigan	Nico	Collins	WR
Florida	Kadarius	Toney	WR
Florida	Trevon	Grimes	WR
Clemson	Amari	Rodgers	WR
Arizona State	Frank	Darby	WR
Clemson	Cornell	Powell	WR

[like54ninjas]

WALKER LITTLE - OT - STAN - SR - 6’7” / 320#
— Big, physical, high football IQ, strong, powerful people mover, excellent footwork, punch timing is solid, location of proper hand placement needs consistency, powerful grip strength, hip torque allows to toss/uproot defenders, nasty finisher that loves driving opponents into the grass, devastating down blocker, easy mover to 2nd/3rd levels, move skills allow to make scoop/pulls/fold/screen blocks, needs better timing on inside powerstep to shutdown inside moves

MYRON CUNNINGHAM - OT/OG - UAR - SR - 6’7” / 325# - (TC)
— JUCO transfer, physically overpowering at times in 2020 (really showed improvement from 2019 with the added 25# of muscle), decent agility, powerful viselike grip strength, hands on play is over for opponent, 1sack allowed in past 2 seasons, solid stunt recognition, easy mover to 2nd level, creates rowdy impact movement @POA, plays thru whistle, needs time @ OG before sliding out to OT

2019 playing ORG where I envision him.

DAN MOORE JR - OG - TAMU - SR - 6’5” / 315# - (TC)
— 3 yr start @OLT, no sacks allowed in 2020, excellent vertical mover, good lateral agility, mirroring skills greatly improved from 19 to 20, excellent sort sets, phenomenal grip strength, people mover @POA, punch placement is wildly inconsistent, physical/nasty finisher

Watch DM#65 LOT - TAMU & MC#76 LOT - UAR