2023 Official Charger Draft - Post Draft Discussion (Daily Links In OP)

[Boltjolt]

Yes, the optimal move would be to replace Feiler with Salyer. He could even be your OT depth should someone get hurt @OT. But you would need depth @OG to take over for him should he need to take over @OT again. They should be looking @depth @IOL in this draft. Again, my real problem w/Pip is his ROI at this point. He's just OK. I think it's stupid to pay above average salary for average play.

Better players are getting re-structured and/or extended. That is pushing salary down the line... with Herbert's contract also on the horizon. I'd hate to shed better players because I have an average RT on an above-average contract. I'd much rather have a better player on a cheaper contract.

You may have not called Bijan LT... but many are hinting at it. I think he's good enough to go before #21.
RB is a devalued position... it's weird people are pining for a 1st round RB... when we already have a very productive one.
We have 2 RB's that have been seldom used (Kelley/Spiller)... I'll be really surprised if we select a RB early.
I'd get a tide riser (RT) to float all boats.

Najee has been a waste in Pittsburgh... I feel sorry for him. Steelers have always invested in OL. And now this... So sad.
Etienne is good... when he's healthy. Hall should be good... when healthy. But have they really impacted their teams...?

I'm not going to get emotionally entangled with a player that probably won't even be there.
I won't become entangled in post-21 "playmakers" when the stats/history prove that they'll be half as productive as the playmakers we already have... at least in the 1st year.

The Steelers OL hasnt been good for some years. And Etienne was good for Jax last season. He missed his rookie year. 220 carries, 1125 yards, 5.1 YPC.

[Boltjolt]

I agree with you on this, would rather see them let pip walk and then draft a guy like darnell wright than see them resign pipkins and draft robinson…our RB has lead the entire fucking league in touchdowns the last two years and so I can’t understand why people want a RB, that and kelley looked much MUCH improved last year and we still haven’t even seen what spiller can do, I don’t get the RB talk when we have a stud like ekeler on the roster

He has led the league because the other options arent good. Our second best RB option last season had 69 carries for 287 yards. If we had Bijan, they can split those TDs. I dont really care how or who scores the TDs. The guys with the nose for the GL will get the calls.

And what part of Ekeler saying he wants someone to step up and share the load are you guys not getting? Even HE wants another guy there. Hopefully Spiller can be a lot more than he was last season and he gets a bigger role.

Now im not saying we SHOULD draft Bijan but if he falls to us, thats who im picking. If he goes before us, then cool ....move on to the next BPA.

[Fouts2herbert]

He has led the league because the other options arent good. Our second best RB option last season had 69 carries for 287 yards. If we had Bijan, they can split those TDs. I dont really care how or who scores the TDs. The guys with the nose for the GL will get the calls.

Now im not saying we SHOULD draft Bijan but if he falls to us, thats who im picking. If he goes before us, then cool ....move on to the next BPA.

What? So ekeler scored 39 touchdowns in two years by DEFAULT because we had no other options?! Whate the fuck does that even mean? It’s fucking HARD to score TDs in the NFL, what are you even talking about? Give the man credit for fuck’s sake! We’ve all seen the spectacular spin moves making two guys miss while jumping over another two guys and the spectacular diving catches half a foot off the turf, etc…nothing he has done has been by default, holy shit balls man!? What are you smoking today!?

[Boltjolt]

What? So ekeler scored 39 touchdowns in two years by DEFAULT because we had no other options?! Whate the fuck does that even mean? It’s fucking HARD to score TDs in the NFL, what are you even talking about? Give the man credit for fuck’s sake! We’ve all seen the spectacular spin moves making two guys miss while jumping over another two guys and the spectacular diving catches half a foot off the turf, etc…nothing he has done has been by default, holy shit balls man!? What are you smoking today!?

Means we need better RB depth. More guys to be reliable instead of just 1. And i said he was the BEST option.
Again, scoring 39 TDs is great but what if he misses 7 games? Who is the guy to take that up? Kelly the guy we hope dont fumble and hasnt shown much power?
Again im not going to shortchange Spiller yet because he hasnt had a chance.

I give Ekeler credit for having a nose for the EZ, but again.....when a RB calls for someone to help out....i got to listen. So tell me, does Kelly have the ability to do spectaculer spin moves and jump over two guys and diving catches? You know that is a no, so thus the best option.

And im still waiting for you to show me where i compared Herbert to Murray and Jones. Whats up with your reading comprehension today?

[gzubeck]

Means we need better RB depth. More guys to be reliable instead of just 1. And i said he was the BEST option.
Again, scoring 39 TDs is great but what if he misses 7 games? Who is the guy to take that up? Kelly the guy we hope dont fumble and hasnt shown much power?
Again im not going to shortchange Spiller yet because he hasnt had a chance.

I give Ekeler credit for having a nose for the EZ, but again.....when a RB calls for someone to help out....i got to listen.

And im still waiting for you to show me where i compared Herbert to Murray and Jones. Whats up with your reading comprehension today?

Sort of like Ekeler and ....whatever we can scrounge up....LOL!

[Fouts2herbert]

Means we need better RB depth. More guys to be reliable instead of just 1. And i said he was the BEST option.
Again, scoring 39 TDs is great but what if he misses 7 games? Who is the guy to take that up? Kelly the guy we hope dont fumble and hasnt shown much power?
Again im not going to shortchange Spiller yet because he hasnt had a chance.

I give Ekeler credit for having a nose for the EZ, but again.....when a RB calls for someone to help out....i got to listen. So tell me, does Kelly have the ability to do spectaculer spin moves and jump over two guys and diving catches? You know that is a no, so thus the best option.

And im still waiting for you to show me where i compared Herbert to Murray and Jones. Whats up with your reading comprehension today?

Oh my mistake, I thought you wanted to invest a 1st rounder on robinson to replace ekeler, I didn’t realize you just want him so he can be better depth, LOL…

[gzubeck]

Oh my mistake, I thought you wanted to invest a 1st rounder on robinson to replace ekeler, I didn’t realize you just want him so he can be better depth, LOL…

I think it was more of a cry for help away from crappy Lombardi scheming where he was tackled in the backfield 8 times a game. Truly horrible scheming!

[Boltjolt]

Oh my mistake, I thought you wanted to invest a 1st rounder on robinson to replace ekeler, I didn’t realize you just want him so he can be better depth, LOL…

Im not replacing Ek. They would be a great tandem with Bijan able to be the bigger guy to ear down defenses and be a GL guy as well. Ek would be great chance of pace guy to Robsinsons ability to break tackles. Gibbs doesnt provide that. If we drafted Bijan, id be OK with cutting Kelly.

[Boltnut]

Gross overstatement. Are they the top OL in the league? No, but they’re far from the worst. Coaching of the OL took a step back last season. They just need to play better as a unit. I don’t care how good your OL is if you do t have playmakers you’re gonna have a pedestrian offense. They barely beat a bunch of weak teams last season. There’s a lot of room for improvement. I certainly don’t want to see games with guys like Palmer, Bandy and Moore as the starting wide outs. That was ugly

Palmer I'm fine with. He has improved every year (72 receptions last year). Bandy and Moore are not good enough... I agree with you there. I would like the Chargers to improve their depth @WR. But we're talking about receivers to fill #4 and #5 spots. There are mid/late WR's out there. WR's with speed and return abilities.

I agree... the OL coaching took a step back. Although Salyer stepped in admirably, he isn't Slater. Feiler's abilities are on the decline. It's nice to have Salyer there to step into the LG position. We can get under the cap by 3/15 by cutting Feiler... that move seems eminent. Having Slater, Salyer, and Linsley next to each other solidifies that left side.

Zion's performance was actually a little underwhelming to me... he had some struggles. Year 2 should be a quantum leap for him. He should understand the RG position better in Year 2. Everybody was geeked out to see Pipkins play @ a much improved standard of play. But IMO, he was still only average. Many times, the Chargers had to roll extra protection his way. That's a waste of a RB or TE. And Pipkins didn't look good in the run game. He's kind of top heavy, unbalanced, and not very powerful. I think an upgrade @RT would make the whole offense much better. Kellen Moore hopefully signals that we will be more balanced and more efficient on offense. Staley talked about being more balanced last off-season and that running the ball made opposing defenses play their gaps and tackle. Running the ball is important because it let's your offensive line be more physical and makes opposing defenses play honest. I'm pretty sure that Lombardi was let go because he wasn't able to implement any of those concepts. But to do that, we have to have a better, more physical RT than Pipkins.

We have playmakers. Keenan is a top possession receiver. Converting 3rd downs and/or being in 2nd/3rd-and-short situations will allow your offense to be balanced and multiple. Also allows you to implement play-action more often. And that will slow down the pass-rush... and make LB's/safeties play honest. It creates spaces in a defense and allows for shots down the field. Pure speed doesn't guarantee your success to convert deeper patterns. Much of that starts up front. Staley talked about that at the end of the season specifically.

Ignore all of these things at your own peril. Just don't be too disappointed when the Chargers don't select an early 2nd round WR with the #21 pick.

[RockyMtnBoltFan]

I agree with you on this, would rather see them let pip walk and then draft a guy like darnell wright than see them resign pipkins and draft robinson…our RB has lead the entire fucking league in touchdowns the last two years and so I can’t understand why people want a RB, that and kelley looked much MUCH improved last year and we still haven’t even seen what spiller can do, I don’t get the RB talk when we have a stud like ekeler on the roster

completely agree. Focus on the o-line/blocking TE and the RB’s we have will be fine. I don’t see us picking an early RB and won’t be surprised if we don’t draft and RB at all

[jamrock]

He has led the league because the other options arent good. Our second best RB option last season had 69 carries for 287 yards. If we had Bijan, they can split those TDs. I dont really care how or who scores the TDs. The guys with the nose for the GL will get the calls.

And what part of Ekeler saying he wants someone to step up and share the load are you guys not getting? Even HE wants another guy there. Hopefully Spiller can be a lot more than he was last season and he gets a bigger role.

Now im not saying we SHOULD draft Bijan but if he falls to us, thats who im picking. If he goes before us, then cool ....move on to the next BPA.

Ekeler is no dummy. He knows the wear and tear he’s taking and the career of an NFL RB is short. But there’s no reason a guy like him can’t last for another 5 years IF he has someone to share the load with. He can morph into a Ronnie Harmon/James White role and still make big plays, score TDs and prolong his career

[Fouts2herbert]

I think it was more of a cry for help away from crappy Lombardi scheming where he was tackled in the backfield 8 times a game. Truly horrible scheming!

Next year I’ll definitely be on board with you guys on getting a RB early in the first two rounds (preferably round two)…but this year we still have more urgent depth needs at Edge, TE, O-line, and WR…

And I want to see what spiller can do, he was one of my favorite RBs coming out last year….but a redshirt year was probably needed given that he was the youngest player drafted in 2022…plus kelley looked legit last year they just didn’t involve him as consistently as they should have…