2020 Draft Prospect Discussion

[gzubeck]

speaking as a guy who wasn't part of the campaigns for the either of Patrick nor Deshaun.... could it be a repeat this draft, @least from my perspective ??

who's to say that Love and/or Hurts aren't the real deal ?? Fromm, Eason ??

Trubisky went in front of those guys.... does Herbert have some Trubisky to his future in the NFL.... Mitch still has his believers/supporters, no ??

and not sure what it is 'bout Jeudy, and.... just uneasy w/him, and.... really good w/CeeDee, and JJ looks pretty tough/tight as well.

Hamler is another guy that just don't think we're in position to draft.... we have to make safer picks than that, and despite his sky high upside.... there is risk there, and there will be darn fine Oline available there, and prolly an RB or coupla few, and without as much of the perceived risk.

if the avg is that a GM hits on half his picks, and.... (well after the rah rah/great job on this forum has subsided), then you've got two choices:

you can be deluded that you can outdraft your fellow GMs season in and season out (far cry from team TommyJohn to date), or you can accumulate more draft picks than your fellow GMs, which if I'm not mistaken does increase your odds, and has played out as said teams usually/generally having the better draft, and as that 50 percent hit/miss rate usually holds true, albeit again some still go higher than that....

something has to give/change.... linemen first, stay clear of injury concerns, and no trade ups (rather make trades to stockpile picks in preparation for the draft)

Yes. Our GM can only go up from last years draft this year! LOL!

[beachcomber]

One thing to note on the grading of DT, PFF has never released how they do it, so it is worth noting that Tillery might have the lowest grade, but he had almost the same sacks as Dexter Lawrence and half as many tackles (about) in half as many plays.

Tillery had 2 sacks and 17 tackles in 354 snaps
Lawrence had 2.5 sack and 38 tackles in 701 snaps

Given his lack of speed and quickness, while Lawrence is an outstanding run defender, it is unlikely that a he will ever be a very productive pass rusher. By comparison, Tillery may not be that great, but he is already somewhat more efficient in that area.

that was always Tillery's calling card.... could get pressure on the QB, but suspect against the run.

[gzubeck]

that was always Tillery's calling card.... could get pressure on the QB, but suspect against the run.

Put him in on 3rd and 10 or 3rd and 15 and say sic him! Sic Him!

[Formula 21]

Top OT prospect Becton's combine drug test flagged

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• By Adam Maya NFL.com
• Published: April 17, 2020 at 09:40 p.m.
• Updated: April 17, 2020 at 11:16 p.m.

Former Louisville offensive tackle Mekhi Becton has been widely projected to go in the top 10 of next week's NFL draft. Will a recent development knock him out?

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Becton is one of multiple players whose drug tests from the Scouting Combine in February were flagged. Becton did not fail a drug test in college, Rapoport added, while all NFL teams have been made aware of his combine results.

According to the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, Becton will go into Stage 1 of the league's intervention program for no more than 60 days. If he's not flagged again within this period, he would assume the same status as players who have never been referred to the program, per Rapoport.

The 6-foot-7, 364-pound lineman had Lucas Oil Stadum abuzz two months ago after running the 40-yard dash in 5.1 seconds.

NFL Network draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah has Becton going No. 9 overall to the Jacksonville Jaguars in his latest mock draft. Bucky Brooks has the Browns grabbing Becton at No. 10. Chad Reuter and Peter Schrager both have the New York Jets taking Becton with the 11th pick.

[Maniaque 6]

Top OT prospect Becton's combine drug test flagged

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• By Adam Maya NFL.com
• Published: April 17, 2020 at 09:40 p.m.
• Updated: April 17, 2020 at 11:16 p.m.

Former Louisville offensive tackle Mekhi Becton has been widely projected to go in the top 10 of next week's NFL draft. Will a recent development knock him out?

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Becton is one of multiple players whose drug tests from the Scouting Combine in February were flagged. Becton did not fail a drug test in college, Rapoport added, while all NFL teams have been made aware of his combine results.

According to the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, Becton will go into Stage 1 of the league's intervention program for no more than 60 days. If he's not flagged again within this period, he would assume the same status as players who have never been referred to the program, per Rapoport.

The 6-foot-7, 364-pound lineman had Lucas Oil Stadum abuzz two months ago after running the 40-yard dash in 5.1 seconds.

NFL Network draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah has Becton going No. 9 overall to the Jacksonville Jaguars in his latest mock draft. Bucky Brooks has the Browns grabbing Becton at No. 10. Chad Reuter and Peter Schrager both have the New York Jets taking Becton with the 11th pick.

That guy could be your LT for the 10 next years
If Simmons and Brown are not there at 6, you got to go OL

[Steve]

I don't think Becton was ever a top 10 pick. He is a good prospect, but needs some work. There are better guys at OL.

[Charge!]

Yes. Our GM can only go up from last years draft this year! LOL!

CHI stupidly chose trubislky(shocking everyone watching the draft) even though trubisky was never great or special in college...... Burrow and Tua clearly;y were elite and special and against by far the best defenses in college football......

Just because a bad organization drafts a QB even high does not mean they are great players or that it was a good decision.....

Just look at how many horrible QB decisions teams like CIN, CLEV, DET and others have made over the years...... and those were obvious bad decisions before they made them.......

Guys like carson palmer, alkali smith, Joey harrington, mariota(who was better then Hebert), couch, manzel, klingler, ware, shuler,..... (and list goes on and on and on.....)..... all were ne ver great to begin with..... many racked up empty exaggerated stats against bad competition because of systems that generate a ton of RAC....... but they never had to make clutch plays against great defenses...... so they never were great..... I would not have drafted any of them......
Guys like Goff with the rams plays well when his team is running for 150 and he has all day to throw but give him any pressure and require him to make a play and he folds like a card house..... same with most of the QB's in college and pros......

That is why it is so important to grab an elite QB the extremely rare times when one or 2 are actually available........ Teams can draft OL, DL or any other position anytime, but elite QB's, liker Burrow and
Tua are EXTRENELY RARE!!!!......

Passing on them would be a huge blunder that would set our team back 5-10 or more years....... what is the amount of time between Fouts and Rivers?????....who wants to wait that many years again?????? ....sadly, some of us will not live that long........ elite QB's are worth multiple drafts worth of picks....... having an OL is worthless unless you have a great QB to protect..... because of the current offensive oriented rules there will never again be a defense like the steel curtain, 85 bears, or the ravens team that won without a QB........

if we try our best to trade up to get one of the 2 elite QB's, Burrow or Tua and fail, so be it........, but TT has to try the best he can and he knows it...... .. then we have to draft BPA which would likely be Okudah, Simmons, brown, or the best OT......... but please Chargers do not do what the media wants and reach for Hebert (who will never be anything in NFL, like all the extremely over rated QB's from that gimmick oregon stat machine system)... or any of the other not great QB's in this draft who will never be anything.......

[Charge!]

That guy could be your LT for the 10 next years
If Simmons and Brown are not there at 6, you got to go OL

without a great QB to protect, that LT pick would be meaningless...... if we dont find an elite QB this draft, our defense will be old by the time we suck bad enough to find one again......

[gzubeck]

CHI stupidly chose trubislky(shocking everyone watching the draft) even though trubisky was never great or special in college...... Burrow and Tua clearly;y were elite and special and against by far the best defenses in college football......

Just because a bad organization drafts a QB even high does not mean they are great players or that it was a good decision.....

Just look at how many horrible QB decisions teams like CIN, CLEV, DET and others have made over the years...... and those were obvious bad decisions before they made them.......

Guys like carson palmer, alkali smith, Joey harrington, mariota(who was better then Hebert), couch, manzel, klingler, ware, shuler,..... (and list goes on and on and on.....)..... all were ne ver great to begin with..... many racked up empty exaggerated stats against bad competition because of systems that generate a ton of RAC....... but they never had to make clutch plays against great defenses...... so they never were great..... I would not have drafted any of them......
Guys like Goff with the rams plays well when his team is running for 150 and he has all day to throw but give him any pressure and require him to make a play and he folds like a card house..... same with most of the QB's in college and pros......

That is why it is so important to grab an elite QB the extremely rare times when one or 2 are actually available........ Teams can draft OL, DL or any other position anytime, but elite QB's, liker Burrow and
Tua are EXTRENELY RARE!!!!......

Passing on them would be a huge blunder that would set our team back 5-10 or more years....... what is the amount of time between Fouts and Rivers?????....who wants to wait that many years again?????? ....sadly, some of us will not live that long........ elite QB's are worth multiple drafts worth of picks....... having an OL is worthless unless you have a great QB to protect..... because of the current offensive oriented rules there will never again be a defense like the steel curtain, 85 bears, or the ravens team that won without a QB........

if we try our best to trade up to get one of the 2 elite QB's, Burrow or Tua and fail, so be it........, but TT has to try the best he can and he knows it...... .. then we have to draft BPA which would likely be Okudah, Simmons, brown, or the best OT......... but please Chargers do not do what the media wants and reach for Hebert (who will never be anything in NFL, like all the extremely over rated QB's from that gimmick oregon stat machine system)... or any of the other not great QB's in this draft who will never be anything.......

I still Like Trubisky and will say this...chicago has an awesome defense and completely shitty supporting cast on offense. Trubisky would look a helluva lot better around better players.

[like54ninjas]

CHI stupidly chose trubislky(shocking everyone watching the draft) even though trubisky was never great or special in college...... Burrow and Tua clearly;y were elite and special and against by far the best defenses in college football......

Just because a bad organization drafts a QB even high does not mean they are great players or that it was a good decision.....

Just look at how many horrible QB decisions teams like CIN, CLEV, DET and others have made over the years...... and those were obvious bad decisions before they made them.......

Guys like carson palmer, alkali smith, Joey harrington, mariota(who was better then Hebert), couch, manzel, klingler, ware, shuler,..... (and list goes on and on and on.....)..... all were ne ver great to begin with..... many racked up empty exaggerated stats against bad competition because of systems that generate a ton of RAC....... but they never had to make clutch plays against great defenses...... so they never were great..... I would not have drafted any of them......
Guys like Goff with the rams plays well when his team is running for 150 and he has all day to throw but give him any pressure and require him to make a play and he folds like a card house..... same with most of the QB's in college and pros......

That is why it is so important to grab an elite QB the extremely rare times when one or 2 are actually available........ Teams can draft OL, DL or any other position anytime, but elite QB's, liker Burrow and
Tua are EXTRENELY RARE!!!!......

Passing on them would be a huge blunder that would set our team back 5-10 or more years....... what is the amount of time between Fouts and Rivers?????....who wants to wait that many years again?????? ....sadly, some of us will not live that long........ elite QB's are worth multiple drafts worth of picks....... having an OL is worthless unless you have a great QB to protect..... because of the current offensive oriented rules there will never again be a defense like the steel curtain, 85 bears, or the ravens team that won without a QB........

if we try our best to trade up to get one of the 2 elite QB's, Burrow or Tua and fail, so be it........, but TT has to try the best he can and he knows it...... .. then we have to draft BPA which would likely be Okudah, Simmons, brown, or the best OT......... but please Chargers do not do what the media wants and reach for Hebert (who will never be anything in NFL, like all the extremely over rated QB's from that gimmick oregon stat machine system)... or any of the other not great QB's in this draft who will never be anything.......

It’s great that all your posts are archived.
In a few years they will be priceless.

[gzubeck]

It’s great that all your posts are archived.
In a few years they will be priceless.

I think he forgot about stan Humphries and drew brees in there who weren't awful. I think we've learned alot since those years of bad QB's. I guess he just wants another plug and play scenario like Bret Farve to Aaron Rodgers...who wouldn't.

[like54ninjas]

I think he forgot about stan Humphries and drew brees in there who weren't awful. I think we've learned alot since those years of bad QB's. I guess he just wants another plug and play scenario like Bret Farve to Aaron Rodgers...who wouldn't.

No he is a fool who believes in absolutes and continues to expound upon them even though it’s been shown false multiple times like an apologist.