Future With Lynn?

[SuperCharged]

The definition of pessimistic.

[beachcomber]

the more eye think about it, the more I don't want to wait 'til next year to see if this gets straightened out.

Lynn has had his peoples in here.... I don't want a STs coach to come in here and turn this around under Lynn's watch.... Stewart was Lynn's guy.... didn't work.

he fired Whiz.... are we winning more games without him ?? he ran Rivers outta here.... are we winning more games without him ??

he had problems w/Denzel, Teamer, King and one other guy that I don't recall, and.... he's got Murray now, got rid of King, haven't seen Teamer for some time now, and.... are the wins piling up yet ??

he kept Mebane around for hellah long and we are still Square, and.... were those two guys difference makers/lynchpins ??

and Tyrod.... was he a supernova in game one, or just another in the parade of coulda, woulda, shoulda turned out otherwise.... how long are we gonna hold out hope that AL is bringing the winning formula/recipe ??

we've won twice airing it out.... how many wins does our ground 'n pound gameplan have to its credit ??

and now the spotlight is on Gus.... don't need AL to have yet another fall guy.... I've seen enough.... since when does the head guy not have to take responsibility ??

and yeah, team Tommy John has not helped his cause, and.... don't see any changes coming there, and for better or worse.

time for Telesco to test his HC hiring chops, as don't think he's signed off on the either of Lynn nor McCoy.... just my personal suspicion.

[beachcomber]

This is how Lynn and offensive coordinator Shane Steichen replaced their anemic running game, limited by injury and facing a staunch defensive front: they ran the ball by getting it outside of the numbers to Allen, letting him chug ahead for modest gains to lace drives together. The question now is: will this approach stay?

Probably not.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/keenan-allen-justin-herbert-chargers-offense

It wasn’t just a pass-skew on RPOs that gave Allen his bump in targets—in fact, it was a replacement of the running game with the screen game that turned Allen into a high-volume underneath player. The Chargers elected to replace the traditional running game with the modern spread running game—wide receiver bubble and tunnel screens. Much like a handoff, a wide receiver screen ensures you get the ball into the hands of your playmakers, and even if they are behind the line of scrimmage, they have the blockers and space necessary to pick up some yardage and keep you ahead of the sticks.

and then there was this....

Through the young season, the ex-RB coach has stuck to his guns and insisted that his team operate on a run-first approach. This after injuries to both Austin Ekeler and Justin Jackson, which has seen journeyman Kalen Ballage forced into a primary role in the Chargers backfield. Behind one of the worst interior offensive lines in football, which limits the Chargers to designed runs outside of the tackle box that aren’t even maximized by their thin running back room.

Lynn has always been run first, and he has come under fire for that approach even before he and the Chargers uncovered gold with Herbert. But against the New York Jets in Week 11, we saw a flash of what could be if Herbert were given the reins on early downs.

and for some reason, seem to recall that Keenan got 20 balls in the first game last season, no ??

Against a New York Jets team with a staunch run defending interior and a rookie-studded, porous secondary, the Chargers were willing to attack the gaps on the defense—and they did it with Keenan Allen, the other star on this offense often misused and underappreciated. After seeing only seven targets and three catches in a loss to the Dolphins last week, Allen turned around with 16 catches on 19 targets—career-high numbers—along with 145 yards and a score.

[Guest]

Some schmuck posted a statement of don't treat Lynn better than McCoy.

McCoy record as Chargers HC after 4 season. 27-37.
10 games under .500 with a veteran great QB still in prime.

Lynn 29-29 .500 record, transition from aging vet QB to a rookie QB.

Well Lynn resume has more wins in less games. And he also had to deal with moving to a new city with poor fan support. So .... Why would we treat him exactly the same in a bottom line business when his bottom line has more Wins.

They all should earn their own consequences based on their own resumes. Treating them the same when their win loss record is different is poor logic.

If you get 29 of 58 answer right on test and I get 27 of 64 right. We should get the same exact grade and same treatment?

:stirpot:

Critty, your post is weak.

McCoy and Lynn have had three functionally identical seasons so far and Lynn is hard at work to make it four identical seasons. Two of the seasons featured the exact same record, a 9-7 non-playoff team and a 5-11 non-playoff team--absolutely identical.

The other season featured the exact same result--a wild card round win followed by a loss in the divisional playoff round, though McCoy's team won its wild card game by more and lost its divsional round game by less. But still, the result was identical. If anything, since the 2018 team was so much better in terms of talent than the 2013 team, the fact that McCoy accomplished the same result suggests he did a better job than Lynn in the playoff season. There is no doubt at all that McCoy got more out of his talent.

It is absolutely pathetic that you are attempting to claim that Lynn's job should be saved because his divisional round losing wild card team had a 12-4 regular season record whereas McCoy's divisional round losing wild card team only had a 9-7 regular season record. At the end of the day, both teams were divisional round losers. The result is functionally the same.

And Lynn is very likely not done losing this season either, again with better talent than McCoy ever had.

When Lynn ends up with 2-4 more total regular season wins over 4 seasons, but functionally identical results with multiple exactly identical seasons and ending with two horrible losing seasons in a row, please explain why that should make any difference at all in terms of the fate of Lynn versus that fate of McCoy. I really want to see what horse manure you can come up with next as you continue to flail away and grasp at straws.

Also, while I am on the subject of the horse manure flowing from your posts, Rivers' QB ratings for McCoy were 105.5, 93.8, 93.8 and 87.9. The QB ratings for Rivers and Herbert under Lynn have been (in rank order) 105.5, 104.7 (Herbert), 96.0 and 88.5. You were trying to say something about which coach had the benefit of better QB play? Yeah, you were wrong about that too. And the talent advantage in favor of Lynn gets much greater when you compare the remaining players of those teams.

[Sgt Schultz]

Adapt or die. If Lynn demonstrates a real move to adapt this year, I say one more "prove it" year. That proof would include at a minimum more aggressive offense and defense in the second half of games. If not, goodbye at the end of the year.

[powderblueboy]

Some schmuck posted a statement of don't treat Lynn better than McCoy.

McCoy record as Chargers HC after 4 season. 27-37.
10 games under .500 with a veteran great QB still in prime.

Lynn 29-29 .500 record, transition from aging vet QB to a rookie QB.

Well Lynn resume has more wins in less games. And he also had to deal with moving to a new city with poor fan support. So .... Why would we treat him exactly the same in a bottom line business when his bottom line has more Wins.

They all should earn their own consequences based on their own resumes. Treating them the same when their win loss record is different is poor logic.

If you get 29 of 58 answer right on test and I get 27 of 64 right. We should get the same exact grade and same treatment?

:stirpot:

That might have been me.

McCoy: 4 years, no division crowns, started off 9 - 7, 1 road wild card playoff win, two losing final seasons of 5 - 11 & 4 =12

Lynn: 4 years, no division crowns, started off 9 -7, 1 road wild card playoff win, two losing final seasons of 5 - 11 & what looks like 4 - 12.

we would be quibbling about 3 extra wins in year 2 for Lynn.

[powderblueboy]

I have a good one:

Lynn's Charger playoff record is better than Schottenheimer's; and they let Schottenheimer stay 5 seasons

Lynn's Charger playoff record is better than Don Coryell's, and they let him stay 7 years.

Lynn deserves at least 3 more years.

[Berserker76]

I have a good one:

Lynn's Charger playoff record is better than Schottenheimer's; and they let Schottenheimer stay 5 seasons

Lynn's Charger playoff record is better than Don Coryell's, and they let him stay 7 years.

Lynn deserves at least 3 more years.

Yep, gotta love stats. You can turn manure into gold.

[Critty]

That might have been me.

McCoy: 4 years, no division crowns, started off 9 - 7, 1 road wild card playoff win, two losing final seasons of 5 - 11 & 4 =12

Lynn: 4 years, no division crowns, started off 9 -7, 1 road wild card playoff win, two losing final seasons of 5 - 11 & what looks like 4 - 12.

we would be quibbling about 3 extra wins in year 2 for Lynn.

The whole reason of Lynn sucks so fire him is because of WINS. But we going just dismiss the 3 extra wins and tied for best record in AFC conference.
3 more wins in a 16 game regular season. Is a significant amount. But to keep the Lynn sucks argument strong we are going sweep those 3 wins under the rug. And also that it was at a soccer stadium filled with other fans.
It had been about a decade since Chargers had won that many games in a single year.

Don't do that. Let the whole resume be what it truly is.
Fact: Lynn win loss record is better than McCoy.

[Critty]

I have a good one:

Lynn's Charger playoff record is better than Schottenheimer's; and they let Schottenheimer stay 5 seasons

Lynn's Charger playoff record is better than Don Coryell's, and they let him stay 7 years.

Lynn deserves at least 3 more years.

Facts are facts.
How you feel about those facts is a different story.

[Critty]

yes we could have better luck but you keep bringing up that pitch that didnt work as if it should have.
Those type of plays rarely work and would of been a luck play. Yes at times we have seen them work in different years apart, much like a hail mary is rare when it works which is a luck play.

We need to rely on the plays run most often in games more than a desperate gadget play.

In that game, they had 3 turnovers up to that point. Yet still within 5 points. And with a rookie QB went down the field and had a perfect play call. It was not the typical bombs away and toss the ball to another player. They were in shorter range and Allen/Ekeler can make that play. It was a game winning play call. And it was just unfortunate. I think they make that 3 out of 4 and it works for a walk off. Sure you rather have the lead, but it's football..... each game is it's own thing. It was nice to see they had a plan and a play call ready to win the game. That is why I bring it up. I think Badgely make 4 out of 5 gm winning FGs. But he missed vs Saints. My point is all this fire Lynn goes away if a couple plays were made. And Lynn wouldn't have done anything different.

[Guest]

The whole reason of Lynn sucks so fire him is because of WINS. But we going just dismiss the 3 extra wins and tied for best record in AFC conference.
3 more wins in a 16 game regular season. Is a significant amount. But to keep the Lynn sucks argument strong we are going sweep those 3 wins under the rug. And also that it was at a soccer stadium filled with other fans.
It had been about a decade since Chargers had won that many games in a single year.

Don't do that. Let the whole resume be what it truly is.
Fact: Lynn win loss record is better than McCoy.

You are very wrong. Wins is one factor. Other factors include:

1. The relevant trend of the team. In this case, we have two consecutive seasons with heavy losses. That should always be enough to get an unproven coach fired. Lynn has the team headed in the wrong direction.

2. Also, it would be inappropriate to view the wins and losses in a vacuum. Some head coaches start off with more losses than wins, but sometimes that is because they took over a terrible team that had very little talent, so the losing season actually represents good coaching. That is not the case with Lynn's team. The team is very talented when compared to most teams, especially at the very important QB position.

3. In assessing the quality of the coaching job, it is fair to look at individual games as well. Is the coach making key mistakes? In this case, Lynn makes key mistakes in virtually every game, mistakes that have absolutely cost the team multiple wins. And worse yet, Lynn does not appear even to understand that he has made the errors in question, nor has he demonstrated any ability to fix his errors. He is truly out of his depth when it comes to game planning and in game tactical decisions.

4. Is the coach a good fit for the team moving forward? The answer is a resounding "NO!". Lynn prefers a ground and pound running attack like he had in Buffalo. This team lacks the personnel to succeed at that approach, but more importantly, this team possesses the personnel to be very successful at passing the ball. But Lynn is retarding the team's ability to take advantage of that ability on a weekly basis. Further, he has shown no meaningful ability to junk his poorly fitted philosophical approach altogether to allow the team to achieve peak performance. He is a RBs coach at heart and he is wired to be incapable of moving in another direction and that trait has cost us at least 4 games this season by my count.

Even if we look at wins, the wins have to be relevant wins. As another poster suggested, three extra wins more than two years ago that ended up producing the same overall result are totally irrelevant just as a 5 or 6 win season would be this season versus a four win season when compared to McCoy's results. I would expect a much greater difference than that just based upon Lynn having more talent in all of his seasons than McCoy had in any of his.

McCoy took a mess of a roster and somehow made the playoffs and even won a playoff game. Lynn has taken a very talented playoff caliber team and somehow, by the end of this season, will have managed to miss the playoffs with his team in 3 of 4 seasons. IMO, McCoy did a better job than Lynn given what he had to work with, but even ignoring that, as no meaningful distinction can be made in terms of wins and losses, overall season results and patterns of results, it is obvious that Lynn should be fired just as McCoy was.