Future With Lynn?

[chargeroo]

Critty, :youaretheman:

Post of the year!

[ghost]

If you truly revere both men, you would not be throwing both of them under the bus with your comment as if they were the true decision maker.

If my answers frighten you, you should cease asking scary questions.

[gzubeck]

The dysfunction did not leave with Marty or AJ or Norv. It didn't leave with Ross or Beathard. Because they were never the true problem. And it won't leave if Lynn goes away.
We know who the problem is....we saw it in the terrible marketing of fight for la. And we saw it in Bosa holdout over offset language. And we seen it in many other ways over the years.

The true orchestrators and engineers of all of this is at the top. They breached the contract, not the other party. They chose the GMs. They moved the team. They insert themselves into the process of picking players and coaches. The buck stops there.

If you truly revere both men, you would not be throwing both of them under the bus with your comment as if they were the true decision maker.

The decision and way forward, the ability to adapt and figure out a better resolution to conflict where constructive criticism is heard and learned from. Where changing how you do things needs to be an option. That accountability is at the top. And the last time an advisor told Dean he really needed to change how he does things. And Dean disagreed.....that advisor doubled down and said too bad your going to have to. Well...that advisor was immediately fired by Dean. What's the point of hiring the advisor if you fire him because you don't want to follow his advice. The dysfunction remains at the top.

Depends on what the advisor was asking him to change. Maybe the advisor got it 50% right and 50% wrong and that's how you get fired! Actually firing people is where we are at when you have massively underperforming talent losing games where we should be winning them. Keeping coaches who do keep under performing jobs on special teams and defense and then blame it on players need to be removed.

[Guest]

The dysfunction did not leave with Marty or AJ or Norv. It didn't leave with Ross or Beathard. Because they were never the true problem. And it won't leave if Lynn goes away.
We know who the problem is....we saw it in the terrible marketing of fight for la. And we saw it in Bosa holdout over offset language. And we seen it in many other ways over the years.

The true orchestrators and engineers of all of this is at the top. They breached the contract, not the other party. They chose the GMs. They moved the team. They insert themselves into the process of picking players and coaches. The buck stops there.

If you truly revere both men, you would not be throwing both of them under the bus with your comment as if they were the true decision maker.

The decision and way forward, the ability to adapt and figure out a better resolution to conflict where constructive criticism is heard and learned from. Where changing how you do things needs to be an option. That accountability is at the top. And the last time an advisor told Dean he really needed to change how he does things. And Dean disagreed.....that advisor doubled down and said too bad your going to have to. Well...that advisor was immediately fired by Dean. What's the point of hiring the advisor if you fire him because you don't want to follow his advice. The dysfunction remains at the top.

You will literally stop at nothing to deflect criticism from Lynn, now portraying what happened in 2006 as an issue with the owner because that is the only constant from 2006 that can reach to the present. That is, and this nothing new for your posts, a load of crap.

In 2006, ownership had a top level GM, a highly regarded head coach, and highly regarded coaches under him. The problem was not with ownership. They did a great job of putting the pieces in place. The problem was that A.J. and Marty did not work well together, which everyone involved has long since acknowledged as being the case. It was not ownership's lack of doing a good job.

Because of the timing of the full breakdown of the business relationships involved, the Chargers did not have a chance to interview the top candidates and ended up stuck with Norv Turner, who underachieved with the roster even though he had a winning record.

In the 8 years since Norv, first time head coaches were given a chance and both have failed miserably, Lynn more so than McCoy because he has failed miserably with a more talented roster.

Lynn has failed and barring something truly unexpected, he will be gone after the end of this season because some of his performance metrics are truly ugly and you cannot complete a fair analysis of Lynn's perfromnce as head coach without examining his mishandling of Herbert, his in game tactical failures which are as plain as day (the kind of stuff that no competent head coach screws up), his failed game plans, his horrendous record in one score games, and his dramatic underperformance with a very talented roster in turning a playoff team into a top 5 drafting team. Unless he has naked pictures of Telesco and/or of Spanos family members, he has got to be gone after his abysmal performance this season.

[gzubeck]

I do think the firing of Marty was the beginning of the hiring of complacent Milk toast head coaches that has transpired until today. I do see the current coaching staff as placeholders until the new stadium has been built. Starting next year those seats will need to be filled especially if they have the virus 90% controlled by then. Spanos will definitely be looking at who's been naughty or nice after this season.

[jamrock]

I do think the firing of Marty was the beginning of the hiring of complacent Milk toast head coaches that has transpired until today. I do see the current coaching staff as placeholders until the new stadium has been built. Starting next year those seats will need to be filled especially if they have the virus 90% controlled by then. Spanos will definitely be looking at who's been naughty or nice after this season.

Spanos is not gonna save us

[jamrock]

You will literally stop at nothing to deflect criticism from Lynn, now portraying what happened in 2006 as an issue with the owner because that is the only constant from 2006 that can reach to the present. That is, and this nothing new for your posts, a load of crap.

In 2006, ownership had a top level GM, a highly regarded head coach, and highly regarded coaches under him. The problem was not with ownership. They did a great job of putting the pieces in place. The problem was that A.J. and Marty did not work well together, which everyone involved has long since acknowledged as being the case. It was not ownership's lack of doing a good job.

Because of the timing of the full breakdown of the business relationships involved, the Chargers did not have a chance to interview the top candidates and ended up stuck with Norv Turner, who underachieved with the roster even though he had a winning record.

In the 8 years since Norv, first time head coaches were given a chance and both have failed miserably, Lynn more so than McCoy because he has failed miserably with a more talented roster.

Lynn has failed and barring something truly unexpected, he will be gone after the end of this season because some of his performance metrics are truly ugly and you cannot complete a fair analysis of Lynn's perfromnce as head coach without examining his mishandling of Herbert, his in game tactical failures which are as plain as day (the kind of stuff that no competent head coach screws up), his failed game plans, his horrendous record in one score games, and his dramatic underperformance with a very talented roster in turning a playoff team into a top 5 drafting team. Unless he has naked pictures of Telesco and/or of Spanos family members, he has got to be gone after his abysmal performance this season.

2006 was a failure of leadership from the top down. AN and Marty didn’t even speak over the previous year or two. The situation was toxic. It was incumbent on the owner as the boss of both men to get that worked out by any means necessary. There are no accounts that he even tried. No owner, leader, person in charge of a company can lead that situation fester among employees.

[sonorajim]

Beathard had the best record as our Spanos era GM. 3-3 postseason and a SB appearance.
Getting a HOF GM with SB winning creds got us close.
Reid had been impressive in KC.
Give winning experience a shot.
Bellichick for instance.

[powderblueboy]

Someone is doing a good job clouding up the waters and diverting attention away from the immediate problem at hand: A Lynn.

This is his thread, no? Right now, he couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.

Maybe, in the distant future, he'll get back his super powers.

[Critty]

Depends on what the advisor was asking him to change. Maybe the advisor got it 50% right and 50% wrong and that's how you get fired! Actually firing people is where we are at when you have massively underperforming talent losing games where we should be winning them. Keeping coaches who do keep under performing jobs on special teams and defense and then blame it on players need to be removed.

Lol.
The advisor told him he and his family needed to get out into the community and really connect with the fans and show them you care for the community, get way out in front of things so that it can increase the number of the yes votes on a new stadium deal. He was advised to do that long before any proposal was submitted. And build as much goodwill as you can. Dean said that is not how he does things. And the advisor said then you need to change. And Dean said, your fired.

Eric Parker muffed the punt vs Patriots.
Kaeding choked kicks vs Jets twice.
Benjamin was awful at kick return.
Norv had the historically worst special teams ever.
Seems like special teams has not been reliable for well over a decade. Long before the current regime.
who's to blame for it being unreliable for so long?

Fire Stewart, fire the next guy and the next..... at what point do we look at Telesco and Spanos and say hey you either suck at picking coaches or sucks at picking talent. But either way your special teams has basically sucked the entire 8 years under Telesco. And Spanos even before Telesco you had Kaeding choking away playoff wins. So....when are you going to put together a great special teams.

[Critty]

If my answers frighten you, you should cease asking scary questions.

silly. nothing frightening or scary happening. just talking shop.
if my responses cause you to post silly quotes, maybe you need to let the information swirl around your head, go watch film in detail, do some true roster comparisons and historical comparisons and then get back to me with your narrative of how you see things. but you are going to need links and evidence. and not just a story and a statement of trust me, it happened like this. that wont ever work with me.

[Guest]

2006 was a failure of leadership from the top down. AN and Marty didn’t even speak over the previous year or two. The situation was toxic. It was incumbent on the owner as the boss of both men to get that worked out by any means necessary. There are no accounts that he even tried. No owner, leader, person in charge of a company can lead that situation fester among employees.

Ownership did work the situation out by firing Marty after the situation had become worse.