Welcome Josh Palmer, WR, Tennessee (Pick #77)

[Guest]

Chain's pet cat Square...
Signed by Cleveland in May...released mid August.
Signed by Saints...lasted four days....cut yesterday.

Chain's star child TJ has now been with 5 teams. Has even played games for one of them.

The key for Chain's football favs is their frequent flyer stats. Looking elite there.

You keep pressing this idiotic false narrative that my discussion of Square was somehow something much more than my statement that PFF numbers from 2020 suggested that he would be better than Covington in 2021 and that both players are reserve players, which I have said like 50 times now. Why do you persist in misrepresenting what I have said?

You can keep minimizing Johnson even though his stats make you look foolish when you do so. Most people realize that cutting Johnson was a mistake. I just listened to a podcast where every other post was a complaint about the cutting of Johnson. Among many questionable moves, the cutting of Johnson stands out head and shoulders above all of the others as a terrible decision.

I do not know what else can be said. His stats were great and he was literally the first of all of the waived players selected by the very first team that had the ability to claim waived players. And that was because he was the best waived player in the entire league just like Trevor Lawrence was the best draft eligible player in the entire league that was selected by the same team.

[Guest]

You mean Urban’s winning HC experience at Utah, Florida and Oh State is better than John Carroll U?

Lots of years of experience in favor of Meyer. I think Staley may be a good in game defensive play caller, but that does not mean that he has football knowledge equal to a coach that has been coaching nearly as long as Staley has been alive.

[equivocation]

You keep pressing this idiotic false narrative that my discussion of Square was somehow something much more than my statement that PFF numbers from 2020 suggested that he would be better than Covington in 2021 and that both players are reserve players, which I have said like 50 times now. Why do you persist in misrepresenting what I have said?

You can keep minimizing Johnson even though his stats make you look foolish when you do so. Most people realize that cutting Johnson was a mistake. I just listened to a podcast where every other post was a complaint about the cutting of Johnson. Among many questionable moves, the cutting of Johnson stands out head and shoulders above all of the others as a terrible decision.

I do not know what else can be said. His stats were great and he was literally the first of all of the waived players selected by the very first team that had the ability to claim waived players. And that was because he was the best waived player in the entire league just like Trevor Lawrence was the best draft eligible player in the entire league that was selected by the same team.

The issue is you using PFF as gospel in one case and utterly dismissing it in the other.

But you knew that.

[Guest]

I bet there’s a Jags forum for ya.

I bet there's a middle finger for you. Don't get it twisted. I am pissed because I want our team to win more than anything and I think that some of these moves are taking us in the wrong direction as far as that goal is concerned.

[blueman]

I don’t see a player like Johnson keeping us from a SB.

[DragonIce]

I do not like roster moves that weaken the team. It is sheer stupidity and does not give me warm fuzzies about Staley...

You dodged a previous gentlemanly wager I offered you a few weeks ago. I'll offer you another one tonight.

After 10 weeks of NFL games...
If 3 reputable national media outlets discuss Staley as a viable coach of the year candidate I win.
If 3 reputable national media outlets discuss Urban Meyer as a viable coach of the year candidate you win.

I already know you'll dodge this, but I'll offer it.

[DragonIce]

For those keeping score at home... let's track Chain claims thru the season...and see how he does with his purported football insight:

His words, his claims:
Square > Covington
T-Billy > "At least two of the 5 kept (Charger) WRs"
Urban Meyer > Staley
Staley = "Anthony Lynn level coaching"

[like54ninjas]

Meyer has tons more football coaching experience than Staley. Neither has been the head coach for a single NFL game, so that is the same for both coaches--advantage Meyer overall based upon experience.

Staley made a poor decision. The Jaguars chose Johnson over every other released player in the NFL. I would say that that is saying something.

I do not believe that there is a single WR group for any team in the entire league that Johnson would not improve if added instead of one of the team's current WRs.

We had one of the deepest WR groups in the league and Johnson should not have been anywhere near the bottom the WR depth chart.

The concern about Palmer is not so much that he has no experience, but that he has no elite traits--zip, zero nada. I think that players that do not get much separation, do not have great ability in the air, and do not have very large frames like Palmer are interception magnets because the QB will be frequently throwing into good coverage when targeting Palmer for anything other than a very short, quick pattern against soft coverage.

While neither has any NFL HC experience, Staley does have 4 seasons of NFL coaching experience.
Meyer’s college results and experience are stellar.
Advantage = push.

[Guest]

You dodged a previous gentlemanly wager I offered you a few weeks ago. I'll offer you another one tonight.

After 10 weeks of NFL games...
If 3 reputable national media outlets discuss Staley as a viable coach of the year candidate I win.
If 3 reputable national media outlets discuss Urban Meyer as a viable coach of the year candidate you win.

I already know you'll dodge this, but I'll offer it.

Another ridiculous bet proposal.

Do you think it matters that our team should have won 12 games last year and Jacksonville only managed to win 1? Staley has a huge built in advantage. He was handed a playoff caliber team. Meyer was handed the worst team in the league.

Your offer is like me suggesting a bet over which head coach will lead his team to the greatest increase in winning percentage. If Meyer wins 2 games, Staley would have to win 14 just to break even.

Both bets present a huge advantage for one of the head coaches.

[DragonIce]

The Niner's HC Kyle Shanahan is known for this axiom on his perpetually well regarded offenses: "Everybody blocks." If you are a receiver you absolutely are no exception.

The first meeting Staley had with staff he threw up a screen with big picture philosophy. What was #1 (!) thing on the list for offense: BLOCKING. https://youtu.be/35Td4n0eIdI?t=535

We fans don't much even notice our receiver's blocking and special teams play. For Staley it's a core, football 101. Does a player have the physical skills for ST and for blocking? Does he have the commitment to it.

Aside from our return specialist, these guys must contribute in ways beyond just catching.

[Guest]

For those keeping score at home... let's track Chain claims thru the season...and see how he does with his purported football insight:

His words, his claims:
Square > Covington
T-Billy > "At least two of the 5 kept (Charger) WRs"
Urban Meyer > Staley
Staley = "Anthony Lynn level coaching"

Well, you only got 3 of the 4 statements you attributed to me wrong. Hey, I guess that is an improvement for you. Next time you can try to double your accuracy and get all the way to 50% correct.

1. I said Square's 2020 PFF numbers in relation to Covington's suggested that he would be better than Covington this year. That was true when I said it. It was true yesterday. It is true today and will be true forever.

2. I did say that Johnson was better (meaning on our team) than two of the WRs that we kept. That was the one statement of the four that you got right. That is true now and cannot truly be disproved as Johnson is no longer on our team so we do not know what his career arc would have been with Herbert. We do know that he was gaining momentum as last year progressed and had emerged as a strong route runner in addition to being a major deep threat.

3. What I actually said, and contrary to your inept representation, was that Urban Meyer's football knowledge was greater than Staley's owing in large part to Meyer coaching for nearly as long as Staley has been alive. Good luck trying to challenge that point.

4. Again, what I actually stated, and not what you dribbled out in your post, was that the cutting of Johnson versus the other players kept was a roster move on par with Anthony Lynn level coaching in the starting of Tyrod Taylor over Justin Herbert. They are both examples of major roster mismanagement. That does not mean that all aspects of Staley as a coach are on par with Anthony Lynn. For example, I am almost positive that Staley can manage a clock and timeouts better than Lynn since I think most intelligent 12-year-olds could accomplish that.

You are guilty of some pretty ridiculous distortions.

[equivocation]

True....FOREVER!