Chargers @ Raiders Game Day Thread / Post Game Discussion (Wk 18)

[Cdn Bolt]

His pal was messing with him. I posted it in the other thread but from his pal’s mouth

Ok. It was still a consideration per many.

From Carr’s mouth (without context taken out).
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/01/10/mm...-playoff-seeds

Carr isn't going to admit they would have settled for a tie if that actually was the case though. Like a team wouldn't admit they are tanking at the end of a season for a high draft pick.

[Xenos]

Carr isn't going to admit they would have settled for a tie if that actually was the case though. Like a team wouldn't admit they are tanking at the end of a season for a high draft pick.

So what you’re saying is despite a lot of contrary information that debunked this story about a potential tie, we should just accept this crazy story?

[Cdn Bolt]

I think we were all falsely hoping at that point that they settle for a tie by kneeling. But they kept running the ball. Even on that 3rd down they weren’t in a kneel down position. It was foolish to think that a division rival was going to help us in any way. Especially if a tie was going to have them play KC again.

If they were playing to win then why did they keep running the clock down on every play? Wouldn't they want to save time and use their time outs to get closer for a field goal first , then run the clock down?

Running the clock down suggest they were content to kick a 57 yrd field goal in the worst case if they got no extra yds. Make it they win. Miss it they still win.

[Cdn Bolt]

So what you’re saying is despite a lot of contrary information that debunked this story about a potential tie, we should just accept this crazy story?

You are saying that. I am saying there is reasonable doubt either way hence all the debate. Lots of grey area so we'll leave it there

[Xenos]

If they were playing to win then why did they keep running the clock down on every play? Wouldn't they want to save time and use their time outs to get closer for a field goal first , then run the clock down?

Running the clock down suggest they were content to kick a 57 yrd field goal in the worst case if they got no extra yds. Make it they win. Miss it they still win.

They were fine running the clock down because they didn’t want to leave any time for the Chargers if they did miss the FG. What if they called a TO, and then lost more yardage? At that point, they would be out of FG range and have to punt it back to the Charger. The Raiders went with the most conservative and safest choice.

[Xenos]

You are saying that. I am saying there is reasonable doubt either way hence all the debate. Lots of grey area so we'll leave it there

The problem is that there is no grey area. The only reason there is debate is because Michaels and Collinsworth decided to say stupid things to flame false debate. And then social media took over with comments like Carr’s taken out of context, and Ekeler’s buddy joking about taking a knee.

[powderblueboy]

If they were playing to win then why did they keep running the clock down on every play? Wouldn't they want to save time and use their time outs to get closer for a field goal first , then run the clock down?

Running the clock down suggest they were content to kick a 57 yrd field goal in the worst case if they got no extra yds. Make it they win. Miss it they still win.

I think you have to distinguish between attitudes before the timeout and after the timeout.

If Staley waited for the Raiders to run the play (let's say for only a few yards) and then called a timeout...what do you do then if you are the Raiders?
Miss the long field goal and you will be handing the ball over to Herbert near midfield with 20 + seconds left......not so clear what to do.
That was a very real possibility...not just some remote hypothetical.

Miss the field goal, Herbert connects for 20 yards down field (he's pretty good), spike it, Hopkins hits a 52 yarder,
....Biassacia is given a pink slip on Monday. That scenario is not at all far fetched...its pretty damn daunting.

Instead, Staley made it a no-brainer.....10 yard gain or not.

Biassacia would probably disagree with Carr about win at all costs.

[Cdn Bolt]

The problem is that there is no grey area. The only reason there is debate is because Michaels and Collinsworth decided to say stupid things to flame false debate. And then social media took over with comments like Carr’s taken out of context, and Ekeler’s buddy joking about taking a knee.

That is just your spin and propaganda. Coaches and other players were seriously debating this You seem to want to take one side only at face value. Read the post above for a reasoned, sensible and balanced view Either way we we'll leave it there.

[Xenos]

That is just your spin and propaganda. Coaches and other players were seriously debating this You seem to want to take one side only at face value. Read the post above for a reasoned, sensible and balanced view Either way we we'll leave it there.

What coaches and players? Were they on the Chargers and Raiders, or from the outside?

Edit: I’m also not one who posted that the long snapper told Ekeler that they were going to take a knee.

[Cdn Bolt]

I think you have to distinguish between attitudes before the timeout and after the timeout.

If Staley waited for the Raiders to run the play (let's say for only a few yards) and then called a timeout...what do you do then if you are the Raiders?
Miss the long field goal and you will be handing the ball over to Herbert near midfield with 20 + seconds left......not so clear what to do.
That was a very real possibility...not just some remote hypothetical.

Miss the field goal, Herbert connects for 20 yards down field (he's pretty good), spike it, Hopkins hits a 52 yarder.
....Biassacia is given a pink slip on Monday. That scenario is not at all far fetched...its pretty damn daunting.

Instead, Staley made it a no-brainer.....10 yard gain or not.

Biassacia would probably disagree with Carr about win at all costs.

Exactly Good pt. The situation was very fluid and depending on the yardage they did get on the 3rd would create a variety of different new decisions. They could have just run the clock out on the 4th if it was a 55+ yd field goal or run it down to .01 and tried the field goal. Getting 10 yds on 3rd down and a 1st down opened up another set of possibilities though

[Xenos]

I think you have to distinguish between attitudes before the timeout and after the timeout.

If Staley waited for the Raiders to run the play (let's say for only a few yards) and then called a timeout...what do you do then if you are the Raiders?
Miss the long field goal and you will be handing the ball over to Herbert near midfield with 20 + seconds left......not so clear what to do.
That was a very real possibility...not just some remote hypothetical.

Miss the field goal, Herbert connects for 20 yards down field (he's pretty good), spike it, Hopkins hits a 52 yarder,
....Biassacia is given a pink slip on Monday. That scenario is not at all far fetched...its pretty damn daunting.

Instead, Staley made it a no-brainer.....10 yard gain or not.

Biassacia would probably disagree with Carr about win at all costs.

The bigger question is why didn’t Staley have the right personnel on that third down. Because honestly, he would have been equally crucified if he didn’t call TO and Carr actually hit this pass.

[Xenos]

Exactly Good pt. The situation was very fluid and depending on the yardage they did get on the 3rd would create a variety of different new decisions. They could have just run the clock out on the 4th if it was a 55+ yd field goal or run it down to .01 and tried the field goal. Getting 10 yds on 3rd down and a 1st down opened up another set of possibilities though

What this means is that they should have prevented the 10 yard gain and forced a 4th down.