Justin Herbert - Bolts Franchise QB Official Discussion

[captaind]

I had already watched film on this guy before yesterday, and I watched even more last night. And I'm by no means an expert. But shit, guys, there's no way he sees the field this year. While he has great arm strength and makes a lot of plays with his legs, it tends to mask the fact that his mechanics are awful and inconsistent, and he looks down his first read straight from the snap. If it's not there, it's incomplete almost every time.

Whoever our QB coach is will have his hands full. Not saying he can't do it, but this guy needs a ton of work. Any other position and he would have been a 4th or 5th round pick.

[Hadl2Alworth]

His problems aren't related to mechanics, coaching, or anything correctable. He plays too conscientious/scared and that slows down his processing and causes adrenaline to totally screw up everything about him, from his reads to his accuracy. He's really one of those guys that is too smart for his own good, and his personality type allows that to have a very large influence on how he plays.

HIS SUCCESS OR FAILURE WILL HAVE MORE TO DO WITH HIS PSYCHOLOGICAL STATE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

Get him pissed off and he will have moments where he can be a really good QB. It's all upstairs with him.

That will be the absolute key. Chargers need to do everything in their power to elevate his confidence, but confidence can really only be gained thru experience.

I very much agree with that. I so much agree with you! And the getting him pissed off part I'm assuming is about hoping that Herbert can let go of his own worst enemy - his head - while playing. Because he has the tools to be very good. I wonder if he doesn't have ADD issues. I'm hoping he does since it can be effectively treated nowadays.

[Kellyb72601]

Tom Brady makes mistakes. You make it seem like Herbert didn't complete a pass last season, other than the dump off variety.
Chargers looked at his good tape and figure they can make certain corrections.

He takes to coaching well and can always scramble his way out of some difficulties his first few years - just like Steve McNair.
Telesco says he holds toughness and leadership as essential values for qb play. I imagine he was satisfied with Herbert in that category.

Every young qb can flop put in a bad situation.

Its not the end of the world I said I'd compare him to Josh Allen. Allen has been a weapon at times and took his team to the playoffs and nearly won a playoff game. You can win with a QB like that. Put him in the spread and let him scramble around, run it, chuck it, and play good defense.

[Guest]

I had already watched film on this guy before yesterday, and I watched even more last night. And I'm by no means an expert. But shit, guys, there's no way he sees the field this year. While he has great arm strength and makes a lot of plays with his legs, it tends to mask the fact that his mechanics are awful and inconsistent, and he looks down his first read straight from the snap. If it's not there, it's incomplete almost every time.

Whoever our QB coach is will have his hands full. Not saying he can't do it, but this guy needs a ton of work. Any other position and he would have been a 4th or 5th round pick.

Okay, I did not want us to take any QB at #6 overall, but IMO your take on Herbert is way too harsh. In the long run, I would rather have him than either Burow, Tagovailoa or Love. For being so inaccurate and supposedly throwing so many incompletions, the guy's stats were pretty solid. His 2018 completion percentage was low, but 52 dropped passes will make that happen.

Herbert was the best player at the Senior Bowl and had a fantastic NFL Combine to go along with with his very solid seasons at Oregon. His upside and accomplishments make him worthy of a first round pick. I just wish that that first round pick was not #6 overall. I would not have taken either Burrow, Tagovailoa or Love with a first round pick as I see them as riskier propositions than Herbert. I think there is a good chance that we will end up having taken the best of four first round QBs when all of their careers are over.

[21&500]

For there critic who values the opinion of random ex-NFL quarterbacks. Here is Chris Sims' top 5 quarterbacks and, spoiler alert, Hebert is #2:

Simms was spot on with Lamar Jackson
it’s really exciting to have a qb upside
we need to hire Simms as our qb coach
although he probably makes more money doing these videos

[Hadl2Alworth]

No not so much hero ball. You're more likely to see him tuck & run under pressure. He is totally opposite Rivers with regards to psychological makeup. Herbert just won't see the field. Like Alex Smith or Josh Allen or Trubisky. Those are all athletic 1 read QBs. They have all the physical tools but under pressure they just don't see the field, they feel phantom pressure, and adrenaline really affects their accuracy. Adrenaline does not really affect QBs like Rivers, Manning, Mahomes, Brady, etc. They're like psychopaths in that sense. You will see guys like Trubisky and Allen scramble out of the pocket and overthrow a wide open guy by 15 yards on a pass they would complete 100 out of 100 in practice. That sorta thing.

Basically I'd just assume you have Josh Allen at QB. Big arm, physical scrambler, inconsistent vision, inconsistent accuracy.

I'm glad you've posted here. You've nailed what's happening with Herbert. It's very much related to - if not exactly like - playing from panic. That seems to be Herberts mind set on the field. My hope is our Coaches recognize this and pull Herbert out of his mindset somehow and let his physical ability reign on the field. He really needs to learn how to play from a more relaxed mindset. Then he'll be less guarded and less prone to sabotaging himself. There's so much physical ability there. Damn! I'm rooting for our Coaches!!!

[like54ninjas]

Okay, I did not want us to take any QB at #6 overall, but IMO your take on Herbert is way too harsh. In the long run, I would rather have him than either Burow, Tagovailoa or Love. For being so inaccurate and supposedly throwing so many incompletions, the guy's stats were pretty solid. His 2018 completion percentage was low, but 52 dropped passes will make that happen.

Herbert was the best player at the Senior Bowl and had a fantastic NFL Combine to go along with with his very solid seasons at Oregon. His upside and accomplishments make him worthy of a first round pick. I just wish that that first round pick was not #6 overall. I would not have taken either Burrow, Tagovailoa or Love with a first round pick as I see them as riskier propositions than Herbert. I think there is a good chance that we will end up having taken the best of four first round QBs when all of their careers are over.

1/3 of his incompletions for 2019 were drops as well

[Bolts4ever213]

He has all the tools you want in a qb. And when the players at the Senior Bowl voted him MVP, that's a good thing. All players need coaching. Why do ppl already see him as a bust when he has yet to take one snap? A four year college qb, that's rare. Plus he is smart. Arm chair qb claiming they see things that real qb can't see, crack me up.

[like54ninjas]

Simms was spot on with Lamar Jackson
it’s really exciting to have a qb upside
we need to hire Simms as our qb coach
although he probably makes more money doing these videos

Certainly less time consuming than being an NFL coach.

[chargeroo]

A lot of people said Mahomes was a wild guy. Made crazy plays, couldn't play within his self and a lot of KC fans were unhappy when they picked him. Give him and our coaching staff a year in the system and then let's see what we got.

I did not want them to draft him or any QB at six but they did so I say let's all hope for the best and quit criticizing him - like we all know more about picking a QB. We aren't all QB gurus.

[gzubeck]

A lot of people said Mahomes was a wild guy. Made crazy plays, couldn't play within his self and a lot of KC fans were unhappy when they picked him. Give him and our coaching staff a year in the system and then let's see what we got.

I did not want them to draft him or any QB at six but they did so I say let's all hope for the best and quit criticizing him - like we all know more about picking a QB. We aren't all QB gurus.

Stil is but in a really goooooood Way! LOL! Given how insanely competitive our division is I'm thinking we're almost always going to have two playoff teams come from our division for the next ten years.

[beachcomber]

1/3 of his incompletions for 2019 were drops as well

how many of those were "too hot to handle ?"