2023 Official Charger Draft - Post Draft Discussion (Daily Links In OP)

[Boltnut]

I beg to differ on this. Staley runs an uneven 3-4 front, which in essence it operates similar to an over under 4-3 front at times. In this type of front, the NT will either hold the 0 tech or strong/weak (over/under) side i1 tech to 3 tech. The job is to anchor that end and create pressure by pushing the pocket to force the action to the other side to be swarm.

In any 3-4 related scheme it is crucial to have a big body to be able to handle the 0tech at times and be able to collapse his side, eat doubles in the A gap to free up everybody else, doing the dirty work to force the action to one side in order to be sustainable. Staley had Aaron Donald with the Rams who plays much bigger than his size. Even teams like the Super Bowl Seahawks that ran an over under 4-3 had Brandon Mebane, always had an even bigger body like Ahthyba Rubin to anchor.

You can run plays with whatever players you want (4-3 personnel,etc), but to run anything that is uneven or 3-4, it is a must to have somebody that is strong enough or big body up front to force the action to either side, otherwise it is just a fugazi; where your guys had to play perfect just to be functional. You can teach technique and all that but there is no replacement for displacement and the relevancy increases as you move closer to the line of scrimmage . It’s just simple physics.

If you want to contain leakage, best not to let them break your dam.

Staley's 3-4 often runs like a 4-3 under/over. Typically he goes 4 down with 2 DT's and 2 OLB's. Sometimes, he'll play the "Tite" formation with 3 DT's.
Staley has rarely had a "Big Body" play the NT... he specifically brought in SDJ and Austin Johnson. They specifically drafted Tito. Tito is the strong, big body.
Aaron Donald played the DE position... it would be foolish to try and find the next Aaron Donald... there is only one.

IMO, the DL was doing its job this last year... it was the LB's missing their reads/assignments. Hence, the coach was fired.
I'd draft a pass rushing DT/DE to compliment Morgan Fox (my 1 FA I'd bring back).
You could draft Mazi Smith... but it would take a 2nd to do it. And he'd only be a rotational player with SJD, AJ, and Tito.

[ghost]

IMO, the CB class is stacked at the top. Unlike last year, I don't like the class after the 2nd round. Last year's group was really deep. Right now, I have my eye on Clark Phillips III from Utah. He could start immediately and replace the aging, oft-injured Bryce Callahan. Callahan played great this year... and his contributions were largely overlooked. I hate to say it, but JC Jackson may not return from the patellar rupture... very few do... and are never the players they were before. Vato really turned up the heat this year... but he'll be a FA after the 2023 season. He could be extended. Even then, you'll need a slot CB.

IMO, the LB's were below-average this year. Too many missed assignments and frequently filling the wrong gaps. They were slow to read... I suspect that's why the LB coach got canned. I agree, LB is a PON. I have my eye on LB's in the 3rd round.

Right now, CB in the 1st, OT in the 2nd, and LB in the 3rd.
My 2nd round OT is Cody Mauch.

And I think chances are he'll be back.

Slow to read was an understatement for our LBs. Kenneth Murray II had a fall time-share living in the wrong gap. Now, Drue Tranquill came on this season. Good play and leadership down the stretch. I think Clark Phillips III is a pro without any flaws. But I am going to stand pat at DB. This is a solid group in comparison to the LB room. Chargers need a new LB coach and an infusion of talent and playmaking ability which Murray was supposed to be and clearly is not.

Since I cannot have DT Jalen Carter nor DT Bryan Bresee in the 1st Round, I am taking LB Drew Sanders as he is a force multiplier on defense, and a playmaker.

1) LB Drew Sanders
2) DT
3) RT
4) WR
5) TE

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[C’monchargers]

Staley's 3-4 often runs like a 4-3 under/over. Typically he goes 4 down with 2 DT's and 2 OLB's. Sometimes, he'll play the "Tite" formation with 3 DT's.
Staley has rarely had a "Big Body" play the NT... he specifically brought in SDJ and Austin Johnson. They specifically drafted Tito. Tito is the strong, big body.
Aaron Donald played the DE position... it would be foolish to try and find the next Aaron Donald... there is only one.

IMO, the DL was doing its job this last year... it was the LB's missing their reads/assignments. Hence, the coach was fired.
I'd draft a pass rushing DT/DE to compliment Morgan Fox (my 1 FA I'd bring back).
You could draft Mazi Smith... but it would take a 2nd to do it. And he'd only be a rotational player with SJD, AJ, and Tito.

Yeah and that’s pretty much what I had just mentioned. That’s their base package. Teams often run lighter scheme during obvious passing situation anyways. I think in this instance it is more than just having 2 DT on the line or 3 or pulling the DE off line playing like an LB. Each defense has it own identity and it’s is more indicative to pay attention to their techniques, how they are lined up. And that Staley never had a big body, strong type to play the defense isn’t one that I would agree on, Aaron Donald (DT) is freak strong and he gets very very low. Besides Staley was only the DC for one year, before that he was an outside linebacker coach, too small of a sample size to make a definitive assumption imo.

I would agree that Otito has the size to handle it, but if you can get a top notch DT you get them. Position close to the line of scrimmage OL, DL once they prove their worth, they are rarely moved. And if they are move, you can always get some return for them. You can get a mccaffrey through trade but you can’t get a Quenton Nelson.

Speaking of getting low, Mazi does look freakish but his get off is very meh. You can look like a Brock lesner but can you play. You can look at Siaki Ika for instance, his way of getting out of his stance is violent and very quick into position. His tilt is unusual for a man his size. On the contrary, Mazi get off is not very quick or forceful. In the NFL, centers are DAD strong. Assuming he lines up against either shoulder of the center. Those centers are so quick to put that strong hand on your shoulder to prevent you from getting to position, I see that would be a problem for him to combat as it stands.

And personally I think the Chargers had made that CB bed already, they must lay in it now. And it is a good bed. They play up to their end of bargain.

Lastly I am a fan of drafting worthy offensive lineman in the early round and I had put up a stat before of how successful that strategy was. But this year, there just aren’t too many omg prospect. It seems as though each prospect has obvious flaws and strength. Imo that plays into the chargers hand big time. They had spend high value pick to get these jack of all trade players, it’s time to spend mid low pick to find specialist to rotate in to play their strength.

PS: the Chargers allowed 144 yards of rushing per game and over 160 for the last 3 ranked 27th in the league. I mean….

[SAY OW 55]

I got a hot take!!!! Zay Flowers will be the 1st WR drafted off of the board. He will be this Drafts John Ross will buzz us at the combine. And everybody will point to Tyreke Hill. I hope he’s Tyreke Hill and not Darius Heyerd Bey.

I think us the Chargers will trade up and draft Zey Flowers.

[Boltgang74]

I really don't think we would have to trade up for Flowers.Some mocks have him drop to the 2nd round.My hope is we draft Bijon in the 1st and Zay in the 2nd.

[NoMoreChillies]

Yeah and that’s pretty much what I had just mentioned. That’s their base package. Teams often run lighter scheme during obvious passing situation anyways. I think in this instance it is more than just having 2 DT on the line or 3 or pulling the DE off line playing like an LB. Each defense has it own identity and it’s is more indicative to pay attention to their techniques, how they are lined up. And that Staley never had a big body, strong type to play the defense isn’t one that I would agree on, Aaron Donald (DT) is freak strong and he gets very very low. Besides Staley was only the DC for one year, before that he was an outside linebacker coach, too small of a sample size to make a definitive assumption imo.

I would agree that Otito has the size to handle it, but if you can get a top notch DT you get them. Position close to the line of scrimmage OL, DL once they prove their worth, they are rarely moved. And if they are move, you can always get some return for them. You can get a mccaffrey through trade but you can’t get a Quenton Nelson.

Speaking of getting low, Mazi does look freakish but his get off is very meh. You can look like a Brock lesner but can you play. You can look at Siaki Ika for instance, his way of getting out of his stance is violent and very quick into position. His tilt is unusual for a man his size. On the contrary, Mazi get off is not very quick or forceful. In the NFL, centers are DAD strong. Assuming he lines up against either shoulder of the center. Those centers are so quick to put that strong hand on your shoulder to prevent you from getting to position, I see that would be a problem for him to combat as it stands.

And personally I think the Chargers had made that CB bed already, they must lay in it now. And it is a good bed. They play up to their end of bargain.

Lastly I am a fan of drafting worthy offensive lineman in the early round and I had put up a stat before of how successful that strategy was. But this year, there just aren’t too many omg prospect. It seems as though each prospect has obvious flaws and strength. Imo that plays into the chargers hand big time. They had spend high value pick to get these jack of all trade players, it’s time to spend mid low pick to find specialist to rotate in to play their strength.

PS: the Chargers allowed 144 yards of rushing per game and over 160 for the last 3 ranked 27th in the league. I mean….

i watched some vid of Siaki Ika. Dude is Legit

[Boltjolt]

I got a hot take!!!! Zay Flowers will be the 1st WR drafted off of the board. He will be this Drafts John Ross will buzz us at the combine. And everybody will point to Tyreke Hill. I hope he’s Tyreke Hill and not Darius Heyerd Bey.

I think us the Chargers will trade up and draft Zey Flowers.

There are 40 million reasons why we won't trade up in the first for a WR lol.
Even if restructured we won't do that.

[Boltjolt]

i watched some vid of Siaki Ika. Dude is Legit

He is, he is just a tub of goo like Mount Cody.

However, I had reservations about Dexter Lawrence and he has turned out to be a good player, though not right away.

So Ika is on the list.

[La Costa Boy]

He is, he is just a tub of goo like Mount Cody.

However, I had reservations about Dexter Lawrence and he has turned out to be a good player, though not right away.

So Ika is on the list.

I have not heard "tub of goo" since Louis Nix (RIP).

[C’monchargers]

He is, he is just a tub of goo like Mount Cody.

However, I had reservations about Dexter Lawrence and he has turned out to be a good player, though not right away.

So Ika is on the list.

I believe the saying is a “Tub of Goose” lol

[WindsorUK]

There are 40 million reasons why we won't trade up in the first for a WR lol.
Even if restructured we won't do that.

That, and TT should NEVER trade up, cost is always too high.
Now if he ever decides to trade down, you know, to gather some draft capital, I could be onboard.