2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[wu-dai clan]

Here u go...Fuaga tops Alt in run blocking:

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https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-highest-graded-offensive-tackles-zone-runs

Regarding run blocking ranking and your the disconnect with what you said your preferences were earlier...

Alt is overall several notches above Fuaga in talent level and draft ranking.

Alt is not a finesse player at all, which is the HUGE misconception.

Don't cherrypick, distort or sensationalize, tell the full football truth.

[wu-dai clan]

Have you guys watched the tape on Fuaga? It’s at times comical what he does to opposing players. He just rag dolls players around the field.

Consistency, ie being effective on every play is far more significsnt towards playing winning football.

While Fuaga would be destroying one defender, Alt would be busy looking for work on defenders who need to be blocked additionally for the play to succeed.

Posters are IMV conflating as well as misperceiving play style with talent level, and they end up undervaluing Alt.

The proof will be in the pudding.

[Boltjolt]

The PFF Draft Guide was just released.
You might want to have a look.

Can I see it if I don't subscribe?

[wu-dai clan]

Can I see it if I don't subscribe?

I don't think so.
It looks better than ever as one of the main sources to finalize draft thoughts.

[Topcat]

Regarding run blocking ranking and your the disconnect with what you said your preferences were earlier...

Alt is overall several notches above Fuaga in talent level and draft ranking.

Alt is not a finesse player at all, which is the HUGE misconception.

Don't cherrypick, distort or sensationalize, tell the full football truth.

If I'm wrong on Alt, my apologies...he appears to be a solid overall prospect...I just want to make real sure our next tackle has good enough footwork to keep up with the speedier edge rushers...hopefully I'm wrong...may be an overreaction to the years of watching the likes of Pip, Norton, Barksdale, Clary, etc...

[Topcat]

Have you guys watched the tape on Fuaga? It’s at times comical what he does to opposing players. He just rag dolls players around the field.

Yep...watch how Fuaga drives Latu back at will at 0:42:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCsTld161hw

Also, a nice breakdown at 0:58 on Fuaga's quick footwork vs. Latu...first counters him outside, then when Latu tries to go inside, Fuaga shuts him down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCsTld161hw

[Jack Burton]

Consistency, ie being effective on every play is far more significsnt towards playing winning football.

While Fuaga would be destroying one defender, Alt would be busy looking for work on defenders who need to be blocked additionally for the play to succeed.

Posters are IMV conflating as well as misperceiving play style with talent level, and they end up undervaluing Alt.

The proof will be in the pudding.

I like Alt too, bro..

[beachcomber]

Fuaga's run blocking grade on zone concepts was 91.3, and something that Alt is much better at, than say power gap blocking, and....

Fuaga's pff run blocking grade was 90.9.... 4.5 points higher than the next nearest OT.

as I mentioned before, don't think you can say either has detriment enough to take him off your board, and 'tis more a matter of which player you prefer as a Charger ??

[wu-dai clan]

- He's average-to-good in rush blocking. Actually Alt is very good in run blocking. Above average in "getting there", but below average in power at the point of attack the distinction is that he is above average but not elite when drive blocking from his stance.- is that the JH2 type of power rush blocker? Yes. We will pull Alt frequently. smarter analysis is required, I don't think so but ?
- He's elite pass pro against college speed rushers - check!
- He's below average against power rushers - college level power rushers at that. Its in his tape. Sometimes. Not often enough to be of major concern.

*Average = average of actual starting OTs, not average of all humans

Add it all up - he is short of elite imho. He is good, obviously >>> a Pipkins type of OT. Just not "elite". Again, jmho and I am not a professional scout. I am eager to learn from more expert individuals on where my analyses are flawed, I simply ask for the underlying analytical details of such conclusions. I can't learn anything from the fact you invoke an "expert".

And now I circle back to this post.
Better than McGlinchey-not as good as Sewell.
Of Sewell it was said predraft, he is immature as to work ethic, and a vet can guide him with that. Any perceived risk is worth it due to tremendous upside.
Alt too is young. He is trending up and has excellent work ethic. This is a large part of projecting him being fine on the right side.

I think of impact. A complete quality offensive line from left to right would be central to our entire success. These weapons are very good. It is a very close judgement call. And again a debate we must have.

Now to spitball. Salyer is here to conduct serious business. Where's Pipkins ? I was patiently supporting his snail like development. We are not here to massage his testicles after Telesco gave him that contract. I think him, Spiller and Woods are going to get weeded out. I challenge these gentlemen to prove me wrong.

Prediction: Pipkins is traded to the Raiders for a round 6 pick.

[Boltnut]

Joe Alt is the best overall OT. Fuaga is the best run-blocking OT in the draft.
If we get Alt@#5... Nutty is happy.
If we get Fuaga @#11... Nutty is happy.

The #11 pick excites me more... because #23 comes with it.
The #23 pick will allow us to improve the defense... something we have ignored for several drafts.

[Lone Bolt]

Can we all agree that there will-- most likely-- be MORE than *one* legit option at #5?

I mean... if the pick were to be Bowers, that is not catastrophic to Nabers fans. If the pick is MHJ, that is not catastrophic to those who wanted to reinforce the trenches.

Personally? I think there are a number of ways that things could fall that would be an overall benefit to the Chargers. We are just not the ones on the phones getting it all sorted out.

NO!!! THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!.... Dont you know this forum is filled with Highlander fans?

[wu-dai clan]

If I'm wrong on Alt, my apologies...he appears to be a solid overall prospect...I just want to make real sure our next tackle has good enough footwork to keep up with the speedier edge rushers...hopefully I'm wrong...may be an overreaction to the years of watching the likes of Pip, Norton, Barksdale, Clary, etc...

It is ALL subject to differing opinions and debate, Cat.
One thing is for certain.
Each of your legitimate concerns has been addressed, satisfactorily, even correctly, or not by the real experts.
Yours and dmac's ELITE draftnik status is confirmed.
Grind on.
But you better get it right by April 25.