POLL: Should The Bolts Trade Up For Tua?

[Maniaque 6]

If we were in 2005, Herbert would be 2nd round pick.

[gzubeck]

I agree, but you know how QB needy teams overdraft them and he is one of the top potentual QBs.

If your a QB and your the 20th ranked player in the draft then take the number and divide by 2. Herbert should be drafted by the tenth spot unless he runs into a stretch of teams who just don't need one. But if that's the case then I see someone moving up to snag him by at least #10.

[Boltjolt]

I don't see Hebert as being worth a 6th pick. If we trade down into the teens or 20's, it would make sense, but he is not a good enough player to be worth the 6th pick.

I agree, but you know how QB needy teams overdraft them and he is one of the top potentual QBs.

[Steve]

I don't see Hebert as being worth a 6th pick. If we trade down into the teens or 20's, it would make sense, but he is not a good enough player to be worth the 6th pick.

[chargeroo]

Lone Bolt Topcat I personally agree with you both .. The injury concern, having to trade up losing out on needed draft picks, to sign someone to be the ":Future" is to much of a s scare for me. No knock on the potential skill set being possibly the top pick with to potential to be a day one starter. Smaller stature in relation to today's prototypical QB, combined with the hip injury specifically sends up red flags. There's no one that would argue the pace and physicality of the NFL is a entire different world from College.. I'm personally a fan of Herbert, but as said whoever they draft I'll support from the moment it happens..

I agree with this post but I'd only take Herbert if he falls to us at six - no trade up for Herbert or Tua. If they're gone take the bpa - if those guys are picked in the top five we are bound to have some very good players to chose from. Maybe Simmons would be there or I'd still love to fill in that LOT spot for the next ten years.

[Budsman]

Biased how? I stated facts....and they didn't paint a very good picture. Your claim that they don't support your conclusion that we would be "making an incorrect decision" is bias on your part.

We are picking top ten, it is a chance to secure a top ten talent for QB in Tua, and Cam is an older player, injury risk as well, who will demand a good chunk of cap space that we will be needing soon to sign our own players. None of that is bias...it just is.

Now, if you think, under those circumstances, you get Cam anyways...cuz he might turn out to be awesome...ok. But I wasn't being biased...I was laying it out "as is"...and then stating my position, which is "no thanks!!"

of course I’m biased but I recognize mine. Newton is a risk but then again so is Tua. You’re deluding yourself if you think we won’t waste a year with Tua. You also aren’t looking at facts if you think Tua has a higher ceiling than Cam who was just a few years ago MVP of the league. The Chances of cam regaining form are much better than hitting on a rookie QB.

cam gives us the better chance to win now, fact. Our team is built to win now not wait, fact. A rookie is a bigger crap shoot than Cam, fact. Cam will cost more but is also motivated to show up his old team, fact.

the facts point to cam being the better choice for the team now. This isnt some journeyman this is a Super Bowl caliber caliber mvp, not some risky oft injured rookie. Those are facts. And yes their biased because I think getting cam now and trading for love in the Lamar Jackson range is the right move.

[powderblueboy]

Nope...not carefully selected. Just relevant. Chris Simms? LOL....

Relevant and incomplete: much like the opinion of an ex NFL quarterback.

[RTPbolt]

I wouldnt trade up for Tua. Im ok with staying at 6 and trade out if our top guys arent there but I think we get somebody we covet. I really want a Left Tackle in this draft unless the heavens rain down a free agent from a cap hit. I just think we need an anchor to shore up that position. I like what I see in Tua and if he has indeed healed well and hes at 6 I have no issue taking him and would be excited to back him. I just think we have many directions to go which is ideal.

[Bolts27]

Lone Bolt Topcat I personally agree with you both .. The injury concern, having to trade up losing out on needed draft picks, to sign someone to be the ":Future" is to much of a s scare for me. No knock on the potential skill set being possibly the top pick with to potential to be a day one starter. Smaller stature in relation to today's prototypical QB, combined with the hip injury specifically sends up red flags. There's no one that would argue the pace and physicality of the NFL is a entire different world from College.. I'm personally a fan of Herbert, but as said whoever they draft I'll support from the moment it happens..

[Boltjolt]

Nope...not carefully selected. Just relevant. Chris Simms? LOL....

While i might laugh with you.......i much rather listen to what he has to say than the non athlete that is Florio.

Also, damn near all the best HCs, possition coaches and baseball managers are players that were not the best players in their sport :shrug:

[Lone Bolt]

You state carefully selective facts, when the picture is slightly more complicated.

I have two problems selecting Tua at #6 (and even more at moving up):
1. You could potentially bypass a potential All Pro LT/ linebacker/ cornerback when selecting Tua
2. Tua's potential for injury might hamstring the Chargers for years, while they can get out quickly from under an injury to Cam Newton
3. While Tua's footwork, short range accuracy, & ability to read defenses on the college level are elite traits, his arm strength is average at best.
Chris Simms has noted that a lot of his completions are not pro style throws. Will pro defenses force him into making the types of throws that
challenges his limited arm strength? Tua might be a high floor low ceiling type of guy.
4. Newton's 2018 season was not a big drop off from his MVP type year. He's only 30 and can certainly bounce back if fully healthy to return

Nope...not carefully selected. Just relevant. Chris Simms? LOL....

[powderblueboy]

Biased how? I stated facts....and they didn't paint a very good picture. Your claim that they don't support your conclusion that we would be "making an incorrect decision" is bias on your part.

We are picking top ten, it is a chance to secure a top ten talent for QB in Tua, and Cam is an older player, injury risk as well, who will demand a good chunk of cap space that we will be needing soon to sign our own players. None of that is bias...it just is.

Now, if you think, under those circumstances, you get Cam anyways...cuz he might turn out to be awesome...ok. But I wasn't being biased...I was laying it out "as is"...and then stating my position, which is "no thanks!!"

You state carefully selective facts, when the picture is slightly more complicated.

I have two problems selecting Tua at #6 (and even more at moving up):
1. You could potentially bypass a potential All Pro LT/ linebacker/ cornerback when selecting Tua
2. Tua's potential for injury might hamstring the Chargers for years, while they can get out quickly from under an injury to Cam Newton
3. While Tua's footwork, short range accuracy, & ability to read defenses on the college level are elite traits, his arm strength is average at best.
Chris Simms has noted that a lot of his completions are not pro style throws. Will pro defenses force him into making the types of throws that
challenges his limited arm strength? Tua might be a high floor low ceiling type of guy.
4. Newton's 2018 season was not a big drop off from his MVP type year. He's only 30 and can certainly bounce back if fully healthy to return