POLL: Should The Bolts Trade Up For Tua?

[richpjr]

You can cite Burrow's red herring red shirt senior season, but the red flag, red light reality is that when Burrow did not have the perfect system, a vastly more talented team, and constantly wide open receivers in his other seasons like he did in 2019, Joe Burrow was Joe Blow. And the problem is that Burrow will never have the advantages that he had last season at LSU in the NFL.

And yet the numbers simply don't back up this assertion:

There’s been a lot of talk about Burrow getting off easy in 2019 by his top receiving unit, but as good as the LSU receiving unit has been, Burrow has thrown into a tight window more than anyone else in the group. On these passes, he has thrown six more touchdowns with anyone else at 21 and limited his interceptions to just five, while recording an adjusted completion percentage that was 7% higher than everyone at 67.3% and a passer rating 23 points higher than any other quarterback at 115.9.

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-joe-burrow-best-college-qb-of-the-pff-era

[chargeroo]

I'm damned skeptical of Tagavloa; if he can't hold up in the SEC behind 'bama OL, with an effective run game, and wide open receivers, how's he gonna last in the NFL ?

Good guy, leader, fine passer, but-his NCAA injury history scares the Hell out of me...

His injury history scares me too. I sure wouldn't spend some good draft picks to move up to take him. If he falls to us I guess I'd take a chance on him, but he is a scary pick.

[Lightnin']

I'm damned skeptical of Tagavloa; if he can't hold up in the SEC behind 'bama OL, with an effective run game, and wide open receivers, how's he gonna last in the NFL ?

Good guy, leader, fine passer, but-his NCAA injury history scares the Hell out of me...

[Jorgecasas10]

I disagree with your take pretty much across the board.

Your take on Lawrence is laughable. His passing stats, including completion percentage, as a true freshman and true sophomore are better than those put up by Mahomes as a sophomore and junior, leading up to Mahomes entering the NFL draft. This, of course, is in addition to Lawrence being a better, more gifted runner and having a stronger, more accurate arm than Mahomes. Are you beginning to understand the potential just a little?

The reality is that Lawrence would have been the #1 pick over Murray in last year's draft. He would be the #1 pick over Burrow, Tua and Herbert in this year's draft. And he will be the #1 pick in next year's draft.

You can cite Burrow's red herring red shirt senior season, but the red flag, red light reality is that when Burrow did not have the perfect system, a vastly more talented team, and constantly wide open receivers in his other seasons like he did in 2019, Joe Burrow was Joe Blow. And the problem is that Burrow will never have the advantages that he had last season at LSU in the NFL.

I think Burrrow could be good game manager type/efficient QB at the NFL level, but he is not going to be any sort of game changing dynamic force.

Lawrence has been accurate on a more consistent basis than Burrow. In his red shirt junior season, Burrow only managed to complete 57.8% of his passes. If he is so great, why did he suck? Why couldn't he beat out Haskins at Ohio State? Lawrence, on the other hand, has completed over 65% of his passes in both of his seasons at Clemson.

In the NFL, my expectation is that Tua will be an injury prone average NFL QB.

I see Herbert as being better than either Burrow or Tua, but Herbert has nowhere near the ability that Lawrence has.

As for where Lawrence ranks among all time prospects, I see Lawrence as more talented than Elway. Marino was always seen as a great passer (and he ended up being much better than Elway), but Elway was the greater prospect entering the draft. Luck was not as much of a prospect entering the draft as Elway was, though he was always the clear #1 overall pick in the year he entered the draft.

Rivers is my favorite player, but it is okay for me to admit that even though he is a great passer, Rivers does not have anywhere near the arm talent or athleticism that Lawrence has.

As for what other teams will do, I think somebody will take Herbert before pick #37. Love could last longer. Carolina just agreed with Bridgewater at over $20M per season over 3 seasons, so they likely will not be taking a QB. Carr is underrated. I doubt Oakland will draft a QB as they already have a pretty good one. I would rather have Carr than either Burrow or Tua. It is a close call with Herbert. Brady wants to play multiple additional seasons so now that TB has TB12, TB may not be so quick to draft a QB.

I totally agree with you, lawrence is an all time great prospect
i would trade all of our 2021 draft picks for him

interesting...... Lawrence has more potential than Burrow, Elway, Marino, manning, Rivers, Luck......etc??????? Lawrence is no where close.......

Lawrence is a pure RPO running QB with a strong but not consistently accurate arm...... he won a bowl game by primarily running the ball not passing it..... How do you explain when LSU stopped him from running and forced him to actually pass the ball in the national championship game????? lawrence couldn't because he is not a great PASSER....and PASSING is the reason you have a QB........

Burrow and Tua(if healthy) are elite passers and far superior to Lawrence.......as passers and that is what is important.....

I agree that Hebert and Love are far far below Burrow and Tua in terms of consistency and should not be drafted in top 6 picks but unfortunately, because of the QB shortage, and how many teams desperately need one, they all get drafted higher than they maybe should be..... if Tua and Burrow are gone, and the Chargers believe in Hebert or Love, they cannot wait till 2nd round to take them..... the Chargers will have to take them at 6...... if we dont they will be taken by CAR, JAX, OAK, NE, TB.....or others......

I disagree with your take pretty much across the board.

Your take on Lawrence is laughable. His passing stats, including completion percentage, as a true freshman and true sophomore are better than those put up by Mahomes as a sophomore and junior, leading up to Mahomes entering the NFL draft. This, of course, is in addition to Lawrence being a better, more gifted runner and having a stronger, more accurate arm than Mahomes. Are you beginning to understand the potential just a little?

The reality is that Lawrence would have been the #1 pick over Murray in last year's draft. He would be the #1 pick over Burrow, Tua and Herbert in this year's draft. And he will be the #1 pick in next year's draft.

You can cite Burrow's red herring red shirt senior season, but the red flag, red light reality is that when Burrow did not have the perfect system, a vastly more talented team, and constantly wide open receivers in his other seasons like he did in 2019, Joe Burrow was Joe Blow. And the problem is that Burrow will never have the advantages that he had last season at LSU in the NFL.

I think Burrrow could be good game manager type/efficient QB at the NFL level, but he is not going to be any sort of game changing dynamic force.

Lawrence has been accurate on a more consistent basis than Burrow. In his red shirt junior season, Burrow only managed to complete 57.8% of his passes. If he is so great, why did he suck? Why couldn't he beat out Haskins at Ohio State? Lawrence, on the other hand, has completed over 65% of his passes in both of his seasons at Clemson.

In the NFL, my expectation is that Tua will be an injury prone average NFL QB.

I see Herbert as being better than either Burrow or Tua, but Herbert has nowhere near the ability that Lawrence has.

As for where Lawrence ranks among all time prospects, I see Lawrence as more talented than Elway. Marino was always seen as a great passer (and he ended up being much better than Elway), but Elway was the greater prospect entering the draft. Luck was not as much of a prospect entering the draft as Elway was, though he was always the clear #1 overall pick in the year he entered the draft.

Rivers is my favorite player, but it is okay for me to admit that even though he is a great passer, Rivers does not have anywhere near the arm talent or athleticism that Lawrence has.

As for what other teams will do, I think somebody will take Herbert before pick #37. Love could last longer. Carolina just agreed with Bridgewater at over $20M per season over 3 seasons, so they likely will not be taking a QB. Carr is underrated. I doubt Oakland will draft a QB as they already have a pretty good one. I would rather have Carr than either Burrow or Tua. It is a close call with Herbert. Brady wants to play multiple additional seasons so now that TB has TB12, TB may not be so quick to draft a QB.

[Charge!]

I have consistently said that Trevor Lawrence is a QB that is worthy of the #1 overall draft choice when he comes out next year. I think he has the most potential of any QB planning to enter the NFL draft that I recall seeing in the entire time I have been following the NFL (45+ years). Is that clear enough?

Lone Bolt is correct, though, in his statement to the effect that only one team will get Lawrence and it may well not be us. We will have to draft at our QB of the future at some point, but this year's QBs are not worth the #6 overall pick and I do not favor reaching for a QB when there are some blue chip prospects at other positions that may be available when it is our turn to draft.

interesting...... Lawrence has more potential than Burrow, Elway, Marino, manning, Rivers, Luck......etc??????? Lawrence is no where close.......

Lawrence is a pure RPO running QB with a strong but not consistently accurate arm...... he won a bowl game by primarily running the ball not passing it..... How do you explain when LSU stopped him from running and forced him to actually pass the ball in the national championship game????? lawrence couldn't because he is not a great PASSER....and PASSING is the reason you have a QB........

Burrow and Tua(if healthy) are elite passers and far superior to Lawrence.......as passers and that is what is important.....

I agree that Hebert and Love are far far below Burrow and Tua in terms of consistency and should not be drafted in top 6 picks but unfortunately, because of the QB shortage, and how many teams desperately need one, they all get drafted higher than they maybe should be..... if Tua and Burrow are gone, and the Chargers believe in Hebert or Love, they cannot wait till 2nd round to take them..... the Chargers will have to take them at 6...... if we dont they will be taken by CAR, JAX, OAK, NE, TB.....or others......

[Charge!]

Is anyone concerned about Tua's arm strength?

Before injury, he was viewed as hands down the number one QB in country..... his arm is plenty strong enough...... he does not have a rocket arm but he has the shortest and quickest release of anyone in the draft.... and he is extremely accurate at all ranges, and very clutch....... against toughest competition..... and he has done that since he was a freshman.....

Burrow had greatest season of all time for one season.... also against the best defenses in the nation...... including dominating clemson with next year's star QB.....

[powderblueboy]

Is anyone concerned about Tua's arm strength?

They aren't wrong, they just have a different opinion than you and IMO at least a couple of them do quite well.

Since my opinion is mine, I believe their opinion to the contrary is wrong. Fair enough?

He'll say the same thing next year too if Lawrence has a bad game or two. I guess were supposed to be happy about not improving the QB because we could at some point draft a bad QB. Reeks of fear and not taking a chance on a guy.

I have consistently said that Trevor Lawrence is a QB that is worthy of the #1 overall draft choice when he comes out next year. I think he has the most potential of any QB planning to enter the NFL draft that I recall seeing in the entire time I have been following the NFL (45+ years). Is that clear enough?

Lone Bolt is correct, though, in his statement to the effect that only one team will get Lawrence and it may well not be us. We will have to draft at our QB of the future at some point, but this year's QBs are not worth the #6 overall pick and I do not favor reaching for a QB when there are some blue chip prospects at other positions that may be available when it is our turn to draft.

LOL....how about we just never draft a QB again, ever...:rofl:

Unless it's Trevor Lawrence....so when we miiss out on him next year, we will just have to wait until he plays out his career, grows old and dies, resurrects, and grows up again. 90 years sound about right?

Anybody who thinks the only way to get a QB is to get the #1 prospect in any years draft is someone who either wants the Bolts to suck bad enough to be picking #1, or wants to trade away the future on an unknown, assuming we don't get outbid, which the Chargers often manage to do.

Not saying we pick a QB this year, but to say none are worth the #6? Obnoxious...

What is obnoxious is all of the ridiculous Burrow and Tua hype as it relates to their potential NFL future. What is hilarious is that exactly zero QBs drafted #1 overall this century have lived up to their hype and yet the QBs keep getting overhyped. They are overdrafted as a rule and I am fine with that being the problem of other teams.

I believe in taking the BPA at a position of need. Burrow has arm shortcomings and his only season of any note came when he played for an absolutely loaded team (arguably 11 top 100 NFL draft prospects for this year's draft) in a particular system that produced wide open receivers all the time. He also failed to beat out a QB at Ohio State that has proven so far to be entirely mediocre at the NFL level.

I am not saying that Burrow cannot or will not succeed at the NFL level, but it is crystal clear to me that he is far from enough of a certainty to warrant even the #6 pick much the less the #1 overall pick.

People want to compare him to QBs with lesser arms, but good vision and accuracy like Joe Montana. Fine, let's do that from the standpoint of before the draft, which is where we are now with Burrow. The 49ers drafted Montana in the third round. NFL teams know that for every Montana there are dozens with a similar athletic profile that do not fare as well at the NFL level. The risk is not worth a higher pick, which is why he was taken in the third round.

With Tua, you can add to his not being all that good the fact that he is injury prone. The Jason Verrett comparison is a good one in that Tua, who is overvalued on his best day as a top 6 pick, needs to be ranked down even further because of his injury history. I do not think it would be unreasonable for teams to lower him to a day 3 round due to his injury history. Some team will reach for him and that is fine. Let their Tua version of Verrett be that team's problem.

Even without the injury issue, there are comparisons to Russell Wilson. Again, that is fine as long as we recognize that for every Wilson, there are dozens with a similar athletic profile that do not fare as well. That is why he was taken in round 3 also.

To be clear, I am not suggesting that Burrow and Tua are round 3 players, but I am definitely not taking either with a top 6 pick.

I think Herbert is the most talented of the QBs in this year's draft class and that he is actually undervalued by some that have him as a second round pick. Some of the criticisms of Herbert's game seem wildly overstated, especially in comparison to the overlooking of some pretty obvious adverse issues involving Burrow and Tua done by some of those same critics. Herbert seems like a worthwhile second half of the first round pick.

And Love at #6, which I have seen in a couple of mock drafts, is just stupid.

So, yes, none of the QBs named above are worth the #6 draft pick. We have other positional needs--OL, DL, LB, CB and there are very good players at all of those positions that I would draft before selecting any of the QBs.

I swear, only Bengals dumb would take Burrow over Chase Young.

And I will have some unfriendly words to say about our front office if Simmons, Brown or Okudah are on the board at #6 and we reach for one of the QBs. The only thing even worse than drafting a QB at #6 would be trading up and wasting even more draft capital to take one of these QBs whose risk factors do not justify such a draft selection.

[Classic]

LOL....how about we just never draft a QB again, ever...:rofl:

Unless it's Trevor Lawrence....so when we miiss out on him next year, we will just have to wait until he plays out his career, grows old and dies, resurrects, and grows up again. 90 years sound about right?

Anybody who thinks the only way to get a QB is to get the #1 prospect in any years draft is someone who either wants the Bolts to suck bad enough to be picking #1, or wants to trade away the future on an unknown, assuming we don't get outbid, which the Chargers often manage to do.

Not saying we pick a QB this year, but to say none are worth the #6? Obnoxious...

He'll say the same thing next year too if Lawrence has a bad game or two. I guess were supposed to be happy about not improving the QB because we could at some point draft a bad QB. Reeks of fear and not taking a chance on a guy.